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Reality Started to Break Down
LSZ, MDMA & Cannabis
by TheTripReport
Citation:   TheTripReport. "Reality Started to Break Down: An Experience with LSZ, MDMA & Cannabis (exp105789)". Oct 27, 2016.

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30 mg oral Noopept (daily)
  T+ 0:00 4 oz oral Alcohol - Hard (liquid)
  T+ 0:00   smoked Cannabis  
  T+ 2:00   oral MDMA (powder / crystals)
  T+ 2:30 2 hits   LSZ (blotter / tab)
  T+ 0:00   repeated smoked Tobacco - Cigarettes  
  T+ 0:00   repeated smoked Cannabis  


At the start of this I already had a tolerance for LSZ/mdma having taken it 3 days prior with my lady friend with 150ug, and 75mg mdma and 75mg mda. At the time I didn't really have much tripping aspect other than seeing police lights as soon as I'd close my eyes and the feeling of being watched, though my lady friend didn't care.

Anyways 3 days later the weekend was starting for me and to celebrate I decided on tripping, even though I was concerned maybe my tolerance was going to be way too high and nothing would happen. Earlier on before work I took 30mg of Noopept like I usually do (having moved up from 4g of Piracetam every 12 hours) and when I got home I poured myself half a cup of 100 proof vodka.

This lasted for about 2 hours where I started to smoke some weed afterwards. I was feeling sufficiently drunk/high afterwards just chatting with friends online (I love solo tripping, having too many people around tends to make me freak out sometimes
I love solo tripping, having too many people around tends to make me freak out sometimes
) so I figured this was a good enough time as any to take my mdma.

This time I was out of MDA (I had been liking mixing MDMA+MDA together previously) so I measured out about 125mg on a piece of paper towel and downed it, also taking some tums about 30 minutes prior because I knew the LSZ was going to fuck with my stomach. Cue 30 minutes later, I took the two tabs of LSZ (300ug) and waited. I did have some food earlier so I expected a long wait.

About 30 minutes after this, I started noticing a change in my perceptions, thought patterns, colors, but they were all subtle and if anything it was more because I was drunk/high than anything probably.

About an hour after this, I thought maybe it wasn't working, that maybe I drank too much and it dulled the trip. This was about 230 in the morning or so, so I decided to pack another bowl and smoke that. Pretty much as I was finishing up this bowl I started to feel like it was kicking in.

Now, I've tried this combo but with AL-LAD instead at roughly the same strength and it was very visual with minimal body load and minimal headspace, but not as bad as an nbome headspace (to which there is none). LSZ however, I stand behind thinking that LSZ is what acid would be if it had more influence from Shrooms.

LSZ makes me pace, makes me excited, makes me euphoric. The visuals aren't as good as al-lad (another similarity to shrooms than LSD for me) but after that night, I realized it doesn't matter as much, even though that is generally my goal.

The negatives of LSZ is that it has tons of body load. Trying AL-LAD and LSZ at 150ug doses each was hard. This trip tho, was even more rough. I was noticing vasoconstriction, I could tell that the fingers I wore my rings on previously were not there, but the pressure on my fingers made me think they were. (I tried 2g of L-Arginine earlier it seems it did not have enough of an effect with everything else.) Additionally the tactile sensations were through the roof, making me think as if I had stopped perspiring, or thinking that I was having trouble swallowing.

At one point I felt like I was starting to vomit, so I took 2 more tums and smoked another bowl. Too much weed actually makes me want to vomit but I was willing to try anything at this point. Throughout the night I was also smoking cigs as well. Fortunately, this was where things started breaking down. I was starting to feel it take effect.

The fractals with closed eyes were perhaps what I'd call spastic but later on I'd describe them as maybe half as powerful as a dmt trip with CEVs anyways. I can't exactly describe them, but they were very powerful, swinging between fractals and seeing what sort of looked like aliens or other beings. The OEVs were intense, and everything with a pattern had a three dimensional depth that was absolutely gorgeous. Around this time, the OEVs were incredibly powerful and totally distracting.

There wasn't really a problem walking but the time dilation was totally incredible, where 2-5 minutes felt like an hour. Around this time I was feeling like I was losing my sense of reality. I felt like my heart was pounding in my chest and I was becoming dissassociated like via a high dose of dissassociatives. Imagine 2001 a space odyssey where he's flying through space and time and has shifted through becoming multiple copies of himself come out of him and spread out infinitely. I've never felt anything like this before.

I decided at this time it was best to smoke a third bowl, though in retrospect this is probably what brought me to level I got to. I had become incredibly horny regardless of the mdma I had taken, images had a watery and popped and started moving. Consequently I felt at this point that my brain was breaking. I had red dots covering my vision that highlighted edges of objects. At one point I was looking at my floor and getting lost in the patterns and life of the object, when the edges of the patterns had a red lined outline which increased in intensity which gave me a sharp shooting pain in my right temple that went away immediately. This is when I started getting a bad trip and panicky as the mdma and LSZ euphoria started to wear off and the weed's paranoia started to show its face.

Usually when this happens, the color red generally keeps showing up in my mind, usually with the thought of 'danger!' where the color blue usually shows up when I am calm. Yellow is not usually a color that appears from what I recall. I was starting to get tired and after 10 hours I was still fairly tripping. I eventually passed out and woke up later, extremely tired but feeling better.

Would I do it again? Yes, though probably at 450ug and mdma, minus the weed. For the record, AL-LAD was more manageable with more typical visuals, whereas LSZ was more intense and 'spiritual'.

Exp Year: 2015ExpID: 105789
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 25 
Published: Oct 27, 2016Views: 3,086
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