Citation: Kaleida. "Beautiful and Intimate: An Experience with 4-HO-DPT, Cannabis & Nitrous Oxide (exp107324)". Erowid.org. Jan 28, 2016. erowid.org/exp/107324
This was to be my first trip on 4-HO-DPT. My previous experience was just under two weeks prior to this, on 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT, and a little less than a week before that I had taken 60 mg of 4-AcO-DALT. For this experience I was originally going to take 50 mg of 4-HO-DPT, but I accidentally tapped out 60 mg and decided to stick with it because I had read online that some people find a dosage equivalency between 4-AcO-DPT and 4-AcO-DALT, and if it's true for the former I figured it might apply here as well.
Though I tried to keep my mind free of expectations, some that I couldn't push out just because I had heard others talk about them so much were that this 4-HO-DPT might firstly be very unique compared to all of the other psilocin analogues, and secondly compare to LSD and other classic psychedelics in terms of depth. Those are the kinds of suggestions that are hard to ignore... so I suppose it's worth noting that they were in the back of my mind, but I don't think they had any real impact on my trip whatsoever.
My previous experience with psychedelics includes Psilocybe cubensis, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, bufotenin, DMT, LSD, 2C-B, 2C-I, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DALT, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, and at least a couple of unidentified things like psychedelic amphetamines and suspected TFMPP.
T-1:30 - This was my last point smoking cannabis during the day before smoking. I specifically timed it that way to make sure I didn't have a headache when the trip started, as smoking too much has been causing that in me a bit lately. I'm actually working on lowering my cannabis use significantly at the moment though, so I hadn't been smoking much during the day and was feeling good at this point. Ready for an adventure.
T+0:00 - 60 mg of 4-HO-DPT taken orally with water and a snack. Just like the others, it's nasty! I am so over tasting these chemicals, and this is one of the last of them that I have to try so I don't think there's much of a 'scientific' reason to keep doing so either. Capsules will definitely need to be obtained for future experiences....
T+0:20 - Around this time I was really noticing the lack of a fast onset, unlike every other psilocin analogue I've taken except for 4-AcO-DALT. I wasn't even sure if I was actually feeling anything at this point or not, as opposed to 4-HO-MPT which already has me starting to trip quite hard by fifteen to twenty minutes in. I did have a slight increase in energy and decrease in tiredness though, which I thought could definitely be attributed to the 4-HO-DPT working its way into my system subtly.
T+0:35 - At this point bodily effects have become undeniable. Though the high is still not overpowering in any way, I feel fantastic all over. Totally unexpectedly for a psilocin analogue for me, I had a strong desire to touch various textures reminiscent of my early experiences with MDMA, and upon doing so I found that they were deliciously enhanced in much the same way as well. I had an instinct to take a deep breath of air, and it proved to be quite a euphoric experience. I still felt a little more energized than normal at this time, but my mind actually still felt completely sober, and after pacing around a bit I got tired and sat down. This made the heaviness of the high become more apparent to me as well, and this did remind me of other tryptamines and especially 4-HO-MiPT as being an effect that prevents me from really talking much until the trip is in full swing. It does have kind of a reserved feeling but is overall quite comfortable, and preferable to the more overt anxiety that some psychedelic onsets have, and this one very distinctly lacked. I was happy with it so far.
T+0:45 - I jumped in a hot shower at this time and took a couple hits of a new bowl of cannabis. This made the 4-HO-DPT kick in a little bit more, but it was still creeping up slowly. I did start getting very light transparent waving and disorganized colors on the bathroom tiles, but that's about it in the visual aspect for now. I could tell that my mind was becoming altered though, not in a psychological sense but in the way my imaginative imagery was created. It was more vivid, deeper, and a little bit more darkly colored, but in a slightly psychedelic way. At the moment I still assumed that my expectations could be changing my experience though, so I tried not to think about it too much.
T+1:00 - It seemed to me by now that there was some truth to the equivalency between this and 4-AcO-DALT, but it was definitely not exact.
T+1:00 - It seemed to me by now that there was some truth to the equivalency between this and 4-AcO-DALT, but it was definitely not exact.
At this dose 4-AcO-DALT only gave me open eye visuals similar to 4-HO-DiPT, slight shifting and moving black dots, but this, though mild still, was much more along the lines of traditional psychedelic visual distortions and colors. I could tell that this was on its way to being something real, but I was a little afraid that it might not peak too hard if it was only this strong by an hour in as well, so I decided to do some nitrous oxide as well to try to really kick it into gear. I loaded eight cartridges into a balloon, took another quick hit of cannabis, put on a song with a cool electronic beat, and then started inhaling.
I honestly can't recall if there was too much special about what happened on the nitrous directly, but I do know that I was able to reach that 'place' where mystical experiences happen and felt quite amazing when I did, and afterwards the trip was never the same. Usually at lower doses psychedelics don't alter the nitrous trip too much for me and I expect that this experience was just like that, but luckily the nitrous did activate the 4-HO-DPT just as I was hoping. Now things were in full swing, to the point that I didn't even think about time anymore after that point. For that reason there won't be time stamps for a little bit, but those things were not all that important during the peak anyway as I was mostly just lost in my mind.
So, upon my return to reality, the first thing I noticed is that visuals were now strongly apparent. With eyes open there was still not much going on in the sense of patterning and intense colors, but there were distortions abound that were pushing into complex levels. I had the immediate thought that 4-HO-DPT is not quite as unique from the other tryptamines as I thought it would be, as the visuals I was getting of hands reaching out to me were just like those that I have also gotten from 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-DiPT, which involves them surrounding me and pushing me into deeply altered states. Overall, the level of hallucination they could take me to was most comparable in feel to 4-HO-DET, but deeper.... Closer to full strength of psilocybin mushrooms. This also stood out to me as a noticeable difference to the same dose of 4-AcO-DALT, but on the other hand something it had in common with that was a certain type of entity art style that caused everything to be huge, flowing, and emotionally intense, similar to what I have gotten on MiPT and to a lesser extent 4-HO-MET as well. Notably though, this was by far the best example of it I had ever gotten, it was extremely detailed and vivid and hit me very hard.
Of all of these things however, my favorite was the type of realistic visionary imagery. I have never taken a fully active dose of DPT, but if the imagery it produces is anything like this 4-HO-DPT then I can certainly understand why people would love it so much. The level of realism with which completely detailed and lifelike visuals of people would dance in front of me with eyes closed is something that was almost matched by 4-AcO-DALT for me, but the style this 4-HO-DPT displayed them with was still totally unique from that, it was very raw and sexual and intellectual. In some ways it felt very similar to 4-HO-MPT from my experiences with it so far, and I absolutely felt that 4-HO-MPT did seem like a logical middle ground between mushrooms and 4-HO-DPT, but given that this 4-HO-DPT was not locked into the mushroom-like qualities that 4-HO-MPT retains and instead was left to do its own side of things more intensely and uninhibitedly. And truth be told, this is also the way I feel about 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-DET, and in the same way that I feel as though 4-HO-MPT is somewhat like a more powerful and deep version of 4-HO-MET, I was now getting a strong feeling that 4-HO-DPT could be something of the same to 4-HO-DET. I wonder what it is about methyls and propyls that could allow them to have this sense of depth that the ethyls have not yet reached for me? A fascinating question for another time.
I remember as well that during the peak of the experience my mind kept wanting to compare what I was experiencing to a phenethylamine, though I don't have experience from too many of them to draw from. I believe that a very significant part of this came from the fact that my body still felt amazing like a more subtle MDMA, the fact that the visuals had a unique emotion and color scheme of neon, almost technological design but mixed into an overall very organic image, and the fact that my mind was still utterly clear and this reminded me of what I've read about (but not experienced) with mescaline. I was constantly amazed at how hard of a trip I was having in a sensory and emotional sense considering that you could almost say I felt sober from one perspective, and the significance of this state was not lost on me. I have actually felt a similar lack of push on 4-HO-DET as well, but that is still alongside a very disorganized and grandiose headspace that is quite intriguing but not all that useful for me.
At some point during this peak I also began meditating deeply both with and without music, and I can't remember during which time this happened anymore, but something very significant happened that stood out as a strongly similarity between this and 4-AcO-DALT for me. Specifically, something that I have experienced on 4-AcO-DALT while smoking it is a sensation that I was about to be swept into a delirium that had something to do with teenage girls in a school setting, but it did not reach a point that it actually developed into anything more than just that fleeting understanding and one quick, flat visual. While meditating on this 4-HO-DPT however, I was sinking to a point that I could actually feel the school forming around me and my head was becoming filled with the kinds of emotions I recall from back in those days. The exact same feeling from 4-AcO-DALT started to overcome me and I began to feel as though I was one of those teenage girls and I was about to start living through one of my regular days, but it never quite reached that point. I was tripping hard enough that I could definitely see the beginnings of it starting to form, but it just wasn't enough for a breakthrough. I was perfectly fine with this for my first ever trip with it, but it's certainly something I would like to explore more deeply in the future....
T+2:30 - Anyway, this was about the time it first occurred to me to actually try to figure out how long I had been tripping. I was mostly over the heavier hallucinations by now, but I still had decently strong distortions with eyes open. I was looking at things on my laptop for a while and still found the visual overload to be too much to handle at times, everything was just moving and blurring into colors too much to focus on. Unfortunately, now that my thoughts about regular life were returning to me as well, I started to remember that I was going to need to get up early in the morning and be alert. I knew that I could push it for another couple of hours before going to sleep, and that I probably wouldn't really have a choice anyway due to the stimulation caused by the drug, but I still opted to start getting myself into the right mindset to eventually fall asleep in that time. My thoughts just wandered from one thing to the next and made use of the lingering psychedelic state.... It wasn't anything too shockingly distinct from other psychedelics at this point, but it was still notable in that I just felt amazing still and like I had had a wonderful and strong trip, just the kind of feeling I would expect from something after a full dose of LSD. I was definitely satisfied with this dose that had turned out to be much more than I had anticipated, though also with a lot of room to grow as well.
T+4:30 - Though of course it is difficult for me to say, I'm pretty sure it was around this time that I did finally pass out. The visuals probably would have been there slightly still if I had tried to bring them out, but of course I didn't. There was also not enough energy left to keep me awake any longer at this point, thankfully. Overall, a very smooth ride up and down, no real complaints.
This morning I woke up feeling actually quite refreshed and nice, and smoking cannabis feels a bit more euphoric than it normally does still. It's not the heaviest afterglow I've ever had, but it's very pleasant and I imagine it will probably be quite strong from a higher dose. In the end, I found 4-HO-DPT to be a very satisfying experience at 60 mg, definitely a perfect introductory dose for myself. Though it was by no means weak at this level, I think I will still likely push next time however, to at least 80 mg and possibly all the way up to 100 mg, just based on what I've read about its potency. Though the trip was very powerful at times, it never felt in any way threatening on either the body or the mind, so the idea of pushing that high really doesn't make me nervous at all. I am actually quite excited to see what else 4-HO-DPT has to show me!
I just have to say again that this experience combined with 4-HO-MPT has really made me a fan of the propyl tryptamines now, and the level of trip I've been getting from these two substances has really been reminding me of the great mushroom trips I haven't had in some time now. As of taking this 4-HO-DPT I have officially taken all of the 4-hydroxy tryptamines that are available to me, so I think my next open-ended goal for the future would have to be some day getting to try pure 4-HO-DMT (psilocin). Though I don't like to say this after only one experience, I do have a strong feeling now that 4-HO-DPT is going to become my other favorite tryptamine alongside 4-HO-MPT, and if that's the case then I have to imagine that 4-HO-DMT itself could end up being the third if I use it right, being on the other end of that spectrum. But, until that day comes, I think I'm just going to have to keep digging further into these two for now!
That's it for now, stay safe!
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