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A Remarkably Sober Plus Three
4-HO-DPT, Nitrous Oxide & Cannabis
Citation:   Kaleida. "A Remarkably Sober Plus Three: An Experience with 4-HO-DPT, Nitrous Oxide & Cannabis (exp107408)". Feb 11, 2016.

T+ 1:20
  inhaled Nitrous Oxide (gas)
  T+ 1:40   inhaled Nitrous Oxide (gas)
  T+ 0:00 100 mg oral 4-HO-DPT (capsule)
This was my second experience with 4-HO-DPT, and following up with the way I felt after my first experience, I decided to jump up to 100 mg this time. I was very curious to see how this trip developed at a higher dose, and I have to say that in the end it was interesting but not quite what I expected. This is a very unique psychedelic for sure, and one that I think would be difficult to capture quite right in words. Nonetheless, I will give it my best attempt.

My previous experience with psychedelics includes Psilocybe cubensis, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, bufotenin, DMT, LSD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DALT, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, and at least a couple of unidentified things.

T-0:30 - I had been just hanging around the house and listening to music for a while until this point, but I decided to turn everything off and just meditate to clear my mind for this experience. I had not eaten for maybe three or four hours after having a full lunch, and I had smoked cannabis maybe a couple of hours before this. I was starting to feel a little closer to sober again, not completely but enough that I was feeling ready to introduce a new headspace into the mix.

T+0:00 - 100 mg of 4-HO-DPT taken orally in gel capsule. This was my first time ever taking one of these synthetic tryptamines in a capsule, so I was really curious how it might alter the time course or intensity of the experience. At least, it certainly made the dosing part more bearable than just eating it. About seven minutes after this, I decided to eat a raspberry yogurt as well to get something fresh in my stomach, and prime it to digest rather than reject.

T+1:00 - For the whole first hour, I almost had myself convinced that I had messed something up somehow. I kept thinking that maybe I was feeling some kind of first alerts, but I think I was just placeboing myself into it. Basically I just kept doubting myself because I knew that the capsule was going to make the onset take longer and I knew that this already seemed to be the slowest-acting 4-substituted tryptamine for me, and on top of that my previous experience with it was so clearheaded that I was thinking it might be hard to tell when I'm really starting to come up anyway. Just like that time, I again felt literally no change in headspace or energy levels for the entire time before any other effects showed up, but sure enough, at about an hour in I noticed the carpet beginning to pulse just slightly. Finally I knew that something was really beginning, so I decided to take a few hits of cannabis and take a quick shower.

T+1:10 - Got out of the shower around this time. I finally felt like I was starting to entering a psychedelic headspace somewhat, but the rise was still slow, very slow. I decided that after drying myself and getting dressed I would go get ready to do a balloon of nitrous oxide, thinking that it might kick this trip into gear a little more as it seemed to on my first time with 4-HO-DPT.

T+1:20 - Eight cartridges were loaded and I made myself comfortable in dark silence and started inhaling. I recall that I spent the entire experience specifically focusing on the center point in my vision for the sake of pushing the visual static up to its strongest point under the blanket of nitrous dissociation, and I did achieve this goal, but I think it also caused me to remain too much in myself at this point. Perhaps if the trip had already been stronger I would have been able to detach, but I got the message that it still just wasn't at that point where it could even really be forced out yet. I decided to just lay in bed and enjoy the wonderful feeling it left behind instead, and after about fifteen minutes of feeling the trip still steadily rising I decided to try again in a new context.

T+1:40 - I filled another balloon with eight cartridges and this time moved out to listen to music on the living room TV while lying down right in front of it, and this time I intended to zone myself out into a trance rather than keeping a focus. This was significantly more successful than the previous attempt. Unlike before, I was able to start getting myself into that more mystical nitrous state that you reach when you manage to push yourself just far enough out, and just when I did, clear as day I saw the classical psychedelic patterning start erupting into my otherwise dissociated visual field. It was a beautiful sight to see at just that moment, and also already much more than I had gotten with my 60 mg dose, which had been visionary but not quite in this typical geometric kind of way. Along with visuals as well came a decently strong rush of euphoria, and I knew that finally I was starting to reach the full effects of this trip.

T+2:00 - After my previous time stamp I stopped taking notes for a little bit as I got more involved in the experience, but I know that it was around this time that I really felt that the peak was running strong. This is the point where my trip really crossed the threshold that my 60 mg didn't, to a +++ on the Shulgin Rating Scale where the effects of the drug can no longer be ignored on any level and I am fully engaged in the experience. (My first time actually using this scale!) I feel that this may be one of the best ways to describe this trip, because it captures the intensity that may not have been quite so obvious from the description otherwise. I say this because, similarly to my first experience with 4-HO-DPT, one thing I really felt to be a defining aspect of this experience was the fact that I felt almost entirely psychologically unaltered despite how hard I really was tripping.

At this time the visuals had developed to something somewhat interesting with eyes open, but it was not very intense. The specific types of distortion and patterning I saw reminded me very strongly of 4-HO-MPT at 50 mg, but they were less significant or in-your-face as they seemed to lack a certain complexity and overload feeling that I find 4-HO-MPT to share most specifically with 4-HO-MET. Instead, what 4-HO-DPT had (both times) that 4-HO-MPT did not so much was a certain type of spiraling arms visual that it shares strongly with both 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-DiPT for me that tends to accompany a feeling of being pushed into the ego-crushing white light, though they all seem to be able to do it in remarkably subtle ways for how strong they are. Given the incredible lightness of 4-HO-DPT's headspace for me as well, I would say that it is the most notable in this way. This is another notable difference it had from 4-HO-MPT for me as well, as I would say that there was somewhat of an overlap in the feel of the delirious realms that both tryptamines feel capable of pushing me into in the right circumstances, but 4-HO-DPT already was causing me to lose sight of myself pretty decently before that feeling even started being reached, whereas 4-HO-MPT was so psychological for me at ego loss doses that the delirium seemed to take a more dominant role.

Just to go a little further into the description of 4-HO-DPT's delirium as well, I have to make note of the fact that I did feel some sensations that continued on from my previous weakly formed delusion that I was living as some currently unknown to me teenage girl living through a regular school day. I remember that only during the very heaviest part of the peak I did start getting some more random thought trains forming, still nothing like how out of control I sometimes can feel on other psychedelics, but noticeably trippy tangents. That was the time when those specific thoughts were forming, but honestly, I don't think the mindset was quite right for them. When I first felt them on 60 mg, that scenario started forming as part of meditation and seemed like it could develop into something solid and meaningful. This 100 mg dose touched upon the same concepts for me, but it seemed that the experience if it formed would be more chaotic and hectic, like being in a whirlwind of those sensations. I now am thinking that if I really want to explore this chamber of my mind in a way I think would be more meaningful to me, it might be better to try a dose closer to around 80 mg and just try meditating deeply during the peak.

Something else that I found interesting about this trip, though it's not quite what I was hoping for, was that the unique MDMA-like body sensations I felt from my 60 mg dose did not make a reappearance at 100 mg.
the unique MDMA-like body sensations I felt from my 60 mg dose did not make a reappearance at 100 mg.
I am wondering however if this is because the body load was a little heavy for me, at least speaking in terms of 4-substituted tryptamines. I never find them to feel like they're really dangerous, but they do all seem to provide a generally similar spectrum of physical side effects for me in different ratios from one another. Most significantly, these include things like diuresis, leg tremors, jaw tension, and dry mouth, and occasionally a slightly increased heart rate. Though my previous 60 mg dose was still pretty comfortable overall, I have to say that I did notice a slightly higher incidence of a couple of these things (especially dry mouth) at that time, and since then I've been wondering it maybe it has something to do with the amount of material used compared to other 4-substituted tryptamines and possible drug activity at non-hallucinogenic sites. Whatever the reason though, I did get a somewhat annoying body load in this way on this 100 mg dose as well. I felt a little tight all over and this made it hard to enjoy the body high very much, though there was one that was moderately strong. I also found myself very frequently going through the process of needing to drink a lot water and then finding myself in the bathroom straining through leg tremors to get it out and start the cycle over again, and this was a little tiring to me. Again, nothing about it felt threatening, but it was a little bit of a hassle.

To bring it back full circle though, the closed eye visuals I do think are something worth mentioning. When focused on they were capable of crossing the threshold into hyperspatial visions, and again they had a lot of similarities to 4-HO-MPT but were still pretty unique. Most notably to me, they continued on from the kinds of colors I got in the visuals on 60 mg which especially included a lot of light blues and pinks, and they were a lot less earthly or spiritual in a way like mushrooms to me than 4-HO-MPT and instead more human, sexual, and with a somewhat digital vibe. The visions were probably one of the most interesting parts of the experience to me, but they really weren't the focus. They mostly came around as I zoned out or meditated in between phases of being wrapped up in trying to understand whatever the heck was happening to me, and they tended to be beautiful when I saw them but just not engaging enough to really stay focused on, which I can relate to a degree with higher doses of mushrooms as well.

T+3:55 - This is the point when I first started paying attention to time again, and really started thinking about how I got to where I was at the current point in time. It occurred to me that even though I literally never stopped feeling almost entirely sober for the whole trip up to this point trip, now that I actually stopped to think about it I actually did have to strain to recall details from my life or really even what had been happening for the last few hours. My mind had been thoroughly stripped away by this experience, and I had barely even noticed it, being too wrapped up in the moment. This had really been a very quirky trip.... More so than any other psychedelic I've ever taken at really any dose, I feel that 4-HO-DPT for me really is just like a trip that is 100% based on what is happening to me, in terms of the hallucinations altering my thought process and pushing me into dissociative states, but basically feeling like I'm practically unchanged in any other way. For this reason I kind of find it to actually be possibly the sneakiest psychedelic of all as well, being so subtle yet so strong and also taking the longest amount of time of any psilocin analogue to really work its way into my mind. And I also think that this is a big part of what makes it feel so hard to perfectly describe, but again, I feel that a +++ rating really is a wonderful way to capture the feeling of the experience overall, as it really was just pure immersion into the experience.

What I did for the rest of the trip after this is really not too important to the report, but what I can say is that definitely within about an hour after this last note I really wasn't getting any more significant visuals. The body high I had was still mild most of the time but definitely held on for a good long time, as I could still feel it along with an alert feeling and some mental energy at least up to eight hours after dosing. Around that time I started trying to fall asleep though, which I ended up doing quite easily, so I can't comment on how it would have been after that. Today I woke up feeling very refreshed, like I went through a typical psychedelic reboot but without having to go through something overly intense at the same time. It's a nice afterglow, and it was enhanced further by smoking cannabis.

So, my final assessment of this experience would have to be that it seems to me that at this dose 4-HO-DPT takes me to a tryptamine space which is most comparable overall to 4-HO-MPT, but with the more obvious effects such as visuals, delirium, and strong euphoria reduced in exchange for a feeling a near complete sobriety-like lucidity. For this reason I did also feel that taking an even higher dose of 4-HO-DPT would likely produce those obvious effects at a level more like what I would expect from 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT as well, but the fact that this dose already had a heavier body load than that much 4-HO-MPT does for me makes me not so interested in pushing to that level any time soon, not when I can just use 4-HO-MPT for that kind of purpose instead. If I do ever want to try to increase the intensity of 4-HO-DPT even further I think I might try the insufflation method as a lot of people seem to enjoy, but I have to say that I actually quite liked the progression of this oral experience as it was. The purposes I think I am most excited to use it for now would be to either take it in a social setting with friends so that I can be totally in my own mind and rational and just have fun hanging out even while having those beautiful visuals and a good body high, or to take a slightly higher dose, but still less than 100 mg, and use it to meditate and really explore those visions on a lucid level. It seems to me that it could really be one of the best psychedelics for both of these purposes, so I am very interested to see what depths could be tapped into there.

In the end, I would say that this dose was worth it, but 100 mg of 4-HO-DPT might be a little much for me. This might make me a bit sensitive to it based on what I've found from reading around, so I guess I'm fortunate in that way. I'm definitely excited to explore it again, but next time at a lower dose, probably around 80 mg to even out my two experiences so far. But, until then, take care and thanks for reading!

Exp Year: 2015ExpID: 107408
Gender: Female 
Age at time of experience: 24
Published: Feb 11, 2016Views: 6,207
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