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Exploring a Novel Substitution
by Kaleida
Citation:   Kaleida. "Exploring a Novel Substitution: An Experience with 4-HO-MCPT (exp110236)". Dec 26, 2017.

T+ 0:00
50 mg oral 4-HO-MCPT (powder / crystals)
  T+ 1:55   smoked Cannabis (plant material)

This was my second experience with 4-HO-McPT. My first experience, with 25 mg, was largely uneventful, but it was at least just strong enough for me to be able to tell that there was something going on above placebo. I suspected that it might get more psychedelic with a higher dose, and I still do, but I have to say that I was quite surprised at just how little of a change that this doubling of the dose made in that respect. This definitely was at least twice as powerful of an experience as my first overall though, just not quite what I was expecting. Still, it was quite an enjoyable time and has left me excited for more.

My previous experience with psychedelics includes DMT, MET, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, and MDMA.

My most recent trip was six days before this on 25 mg of 4-HO-EPT, which is sooner than I normally trip again, but I figured that I probably wouldn't have much tolerance from this past experience as it was quite mild.

T-0:15 - It was late Sunday night and I had been looking forward to tripping during the day Monday, but it was starting to look like I wasn't going to have the right setting to make that happen in. I haven't tripped at night in quite some time so I decided that this might be a nice time to break the streak, and I was feeling a bit tired already because I've been getting up early as of late but I figured that the psychedelic would help me overcome that. I quickly prepared my dose and planned to take it at exactly 11:30 PM.

T+0:00 - 50 mg 4-HO-McPT swallowed with water and crackers. The taste is notable but otherwise fairly mild, it was covered up pretty easily. After I got it down I went through my usual post-dosing routine of preparing the bong for later smoking and going to the bathroom to clear out any potential sources of tension, which serotonergic drugs also seem to help me do a bit more readily than normal once they're first kicking in.

T+0:15 - I am beginning to feel light tryptamine signatures making themselves known. There is an energy that seems light enough to possible just be anticipation but overall still tends to feel like it's being at least a little bit pushed by the drug, and at the same time there is a feeling of sedation of heaviness as the full weight of the experience sinks in. It's nothing strong yet, but this mixed energy definitely lets me know that a familiar state is setting in. I also start to notice very light visual changes at this point, nothing that would be described as actual visuals but things like a general fuzziness and colorful visual snow slightly overlaid on textures. It is certainly not a distinct high at this point, but I am altered and definitely coming up.

T+0:35 - I'm feeling very high despite not having smoked cannabis in a few hours so I know something is really happening, but there's still not much else significant going on. Visuals have not increased other than that walls wave a bit more easily than they already do sober if I stare at them long enough. I am sweating a little bit more too and as far as I can tell my heart rate has maybe increased slightly, but there's nothing strong or concerning in that way going on either. A general psychedelic bodily feeling has set in too, there is slight muscle tension and some gas building up in my GI tract, though a couple minutes after this note I also had several loud burps that released quite a bit of this tension and the rest just dissipated fairly quickly after that.

T+0:50 - After the tension went away, the sedation faded somewhat too and energy became much easier. My right leg started thumping like I was really stimulated while I was sitting on the couch, so I got up and started dancing a bit to some music I had playing in the background. I still got worn out from this pretty easily, it wasn't an overly strong or numbing stimulation, but I definitely wasn't nearly as tired as I had been before at least.

T+1:00 - Not sure whether or not this seemed like it was still going to increase from this point on by itself, I decided to start smoking that cannabis and took a couple hits off the bong bowl. It sets in quickly and mixes pretty well with the feelings I've already got, increasing both the body high and the general excitement. It also increases my appreciation for the music further, something that the 4-HO-McPT has started to do fairly well on its own.

T+1:12 - Staring at the carpet makes me feel like the visuals of this drug could have so much potential if they could get off the ground. I can see those little static dots stacking and multiplying and getting ready to just explode, but alas, it just never comes. Nonetheless, this is a pleasant experience and I'm learning to just let it be what is instead of continuing to look for a trip, it's more enjoyable that way. It essentially felt just like the energy I am used to getting from other stimulating indoles, potently enough that it was happening before even any threshold trip could be reached. That alone did make it kind of a cool novelty, since the headspace was totally lacking in psychedelic persuasion as well and I could just enjoy this energy while feeling otherwise pretty much entirely sober.

T+1:30 - Is it really only 1 AM? It feels like this has been going on for quite some time, and I'm really enjoying dancing to the music still. At this point this pretty much just feels like a clean, novel serotonergic stimulant to me, a euphoric psychedelic high without any trip, but still with things like emotion enhancement and time dilation and all. It's quite nice, despite being so mild overall. I believe this was around the time where the euphoria was really peaked too, when the body load from the beginning was at its lowest point relative to the high point of the euphoric stimulation and tingly feelings.

T+1:36 - Suddenly a lot of the energy was gone, but not in a bad way. I felt as though the experience would be shifting gears at this point, as many other psychedelics also do where they suddenly go from more stimulated and mental phase to one that is more relaxed but also more deeply hallucinogenic, but of course this experience I didn't quite expect to hit that second mark. Nonetheless, since I found myself just sitting on the couch again I decided to close my eyes for a minute and see what would come. Visual activity was still very vague, beginning with just enhanced noise and nothing distinct happening, but after a moment some completely undeniably psychedelic effects did just briefly flash by. The only thing that really stands out in my memory is that for a moment there colorful haze became a transparent cartoony outline of a beautiful woman with flowing hair and skin and filled in with transforming rainbow colors. It was fleeting but incredibly exciting to see as it compared to some of my best visual trips I've ever had, so I immediately stored this in the back of my mind as a hint that this drug could perhaps still turn out to be a great visual psychedelic after all, if just the right dose is taken. Future experiments will surely be needed to confirm or deny this, however.

One other significant effect I noticed at this point was that the energy I had had before could be converted to a manic dissociation if focused inward instead, much like it can be with other psychedelics, and I could feel my self-image becoming malleable and filled with abstractly artistic designs and hedonistic wish fulfillment transformations, only very lightly but undeniably so. I found this incredibly interesting as well because I don't think I've ever experienced this effect so strongly on such a light trip, which also further reinforced my belief that some of this effect is a consequence of becoming overly manic from the stimulation as opposed to just from the classical psychedelic hallucinogenic effects, though I'm sure that both play a role.

T+1:40 - I was having such fun and suddenly felt so much more inclined to lie down than to continue dancing that I let the music finish up and then started preparing to move into my bedroom. I went to the bathroom one more time and noted that my pupils were quite dilated when I was in there, and then I grabbed the bong and shut everything down in the house and headed to bed. I got all cozied up, turned out the lights, took a couple more big hits off the bong, and then just laid my head on the pillow and let it wash over me around T+1:55.

At first I did not get any visions that were distinctly psychedelic, but the imagery I often see while smoking cannabis and meditating in the dark came on significantly more easily than they have in a long time. Interestingly, whereas psychedelics often make me flash upon the identities of and images of live-action TV characters, these cannabis visuals often instead include cartoon TV characters, often organized into bizarre patterns where they flow out as patterns and sort of look like they're repeated everywhere and constantly emerging from each other's mouths. This point was reached very easily during this, and quickly escalated far beyond what it ever has been cannabis alone, it seemed almost as if the visions were becoming much more heavily 3D in such a way that they were being wrapped around floating monolithic structures, making them feel much larger and more significant than they usually do. They were also more vivid and widespread than normal, and there was a point where my perception just seemed completely filled with a web of Simpson's and Family Guy main characters transforming into and out of one another.

Finally, this effect seemed to reach a breaking point and I pushed through to the next level. The typical cannabis visions disappeared and were replaced by distinctly psychedelic visionary effects, ones that were of a similar nature to the ones I'd had with my eyes closed on the couch before. These were notably even heavier however, and had a more developed hedonistic design that I am incredibly familiar with from many other psychedelics at this point. Most significantly it actually reminded me of my one experience with ETH-LAD so far, in that it was like I was seeing several lined up rows of one beautiful woman repeated over and over again just floating through the cosmos, though this did lack the very lysergamide-specific detail that ETH-LAD had for me and instead had them resembling the more 3D but also more ghostly forms typical of other strong tryptamines like mushrooms. It was quite beautiful and impressive, but did not last long. Around this time I also started to get a bit more of the manic dissociation, and I could feel my self-image being covered in some futuristic technological designs not unlike what I've gotten from meditating on 4-HO-MET. The association of these effects with both of these other psychedelics (ETH-LAD and 4-HO-MET) in particular again really only deepened my belief that this 4-HO-McPT could turn out to be incredibly visual as well, but we will still have to see whether or not it remains worth it by the time that dose is reached. So far though, I'm not detecting any signs of things that could turn out to prevent that from happening, so that's a good sign.

T+2:30 - Just drifting through the darkness didn't seem like it was going to get all that much more interesting at this point, so I decided to test the sexual enhancement of this chemical by bringing myself to orgasm. It wasn't too difficult, and it was quite euphoric when it came. I spaced out for a good while afterward and had some interesting hypnagogic flashes of things go by, and I enjoyed just sort of reflecting on life as I often do in the latter stages of a good trip.

T+3:10 - I posted a few forum notes about my experience, and then I decided I was ready for sleep. There was definitely a very real effect still going, but I was on the come down of the stimulation and I just wasn't interested in pursuing what few psychedelics there were anymore. I was tired enough that I knew I could easily fall asleep through the lingering energy, and I'm pretty sure it didn't take me long.

I woke up and started smoking cannabis and beginning my Monday around T+8:00 and I could feel some of this energy come back to, in such a way that felt more like it was still dwindling out than just that the high had brought it back, so I suspect that I would have still had a bit of a high for quite some time if I had stayed awake. However, not long after this that remaining bit of the high disappeared, and I just had a very comfortable day from that point on.

So, that was my second experience with 4-HO-McPT, and my first where I really felt like I got a full effect, but still not a full trip. I don't want to say too much to color expectations of the trip right now because I clearly have barely even experienced it myself and it could become quite different as the dose increases, but I will just say that while I was wondering if this cyclopropyl tryptamine might be somewhat comparable to the isopropyl (4-HO-MiPT) or propyl (4-HO-MPT) versions, I actually find it to have quite a few more things in common with 4-HO-EPT and 4-HO-DPT instead. It felt very much to me like these molecules do in the sense that it was like the potency of producing hallucinogenic effects was markedly reduced while the non-hallucinogenic effects this class generally produces are not reduced nearly as much, which gives them all the feeling that at low doses they've an almost entirely sober and mainly visionary experience, but for the same reason also makes them seem like that will make them incredible when you do finally reach a fully trippy dose since the high and the visions will be so freaking strong relative to how they are on the classic psychedelics by then. And, quite notably, I will say that of 4-HO-McPT, 4-HO-EPT, and 4-HO-DPT, I feel that this one definitely had the best energy of all, but particularly because I just really love that psychedelic stimulation. This falls in line with my expectations from past experiences though too, as I have generally found that all N-methyl indoles have significantly more of a stimulating effect that the non-N-methyl indoles I've tried, and this also seems to apply to a certain colorful visual aspect that accompanies this effect and is far heavier on the methyls than the nots, and I was seeing some of that among the visions of 4-HO-McPT as well.

So, ultimately, will this molecule be as worth it as those, or worth it at all? It's impossible to say at this point, but because of these observations I've made here and over thoughts I've had, I'm definitely excited to explore it more and intend to dive back in very soon and see what I can find. I think this has the potential to be a pretty enjoyable molecule overall, even if it does just turn out to be mostly a stimulant in the end, it's at least still a good high. However, I am optimistic that its greater psychedelic effects will eventually begin to show themselves as well, but until that time comes I will try to avoid too much speculation.

Anyway, that is all I've got to say about that for now, so I'll end this here!

Exp Year: 2017ExpID: 110236
Gender: Female 
Age at time of experience: 26 
Published: Dec 26, 2017Views: 8,302
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