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Interesting Alone Very Powerful When Coupled
4-FA, 5-MeO-MiPT & 2C-B
by MrMoran
Citation:   MrMoran. "Interesting Alone Very Powerful When Coupled: An Experience with 4-FA, 5-MeO-MiPT & 2C-B (exp110431)". Erowid.org. Jun 27, 2017. erowid.org/exp/110431

 
DOSE:
110 mg oral 4-Fluoroamphetamine
  7 mg oral 5-MeO-MIPT
  25 mg oral 2C-B

BODY WEIGHT: 160 lb


4-FA: General Notes

When I took this compound at approximately 110mg by itself in place of my normal Dexedrine dose, I felt that it substituted for Dexedrine adequately. Characteristically, a headache is associated with its onset. Mild-to-moderate in intensity; growing (severe to very severe) intensity indicates that you require medical attention from what I've read. I felt very, very talkative, a bit more than Dexedrine/Vyvanse/Adderall did (they all affected me about the same). This was more. I felt music was enhanced somewhat, but not especially more than amphetamine in any form does. Some MDMA-like aspects with bass and depth, giving a slight edge in terms of music, at the cost of functionality throughout. In many ways, it felt like it was a lightning storm brewing in clouds, rather than touching the ground. I could tell it was a stimulant immediately, and could guess some serotonin potential. Overall, by itself, I wrote it off as substitutable for dexedrine, with somewhat MDMA-like qualities, but most similar to regular racemic amphetamine (which makes sense, based on the structure) and generally uninteresting.

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Taking 7mg 5-MeO-MiPT and 25mg 2C-B HCl the next weekend gave me a metric of what I felt would be an MDMA-like experience without MDMA. I wanted the visual aspects of 2C-B and its clean energy, along with the rolling trippy goodness of 5-MeO-MiPT (which is very MDMA-like, but noted for an 'afterglow' vs a 'hangover' in my experience). Together, I found a world that was somewhat slow to come on, but when I found it, was magical. Visuals adopted tryptamine-tones, with the very fluid organic motions and colors being emphasized, feeling continuous, but with mostly 2C-B's notes of visuals. A balanced blend of synthetic and organic. Very sensual. No hangover or anything unexpected. Very serotogenic, in many ways, almost exclusively such. It lasted approximately 8 hours. A very great blend on its own, but needed stimulation.

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On this event, I took all three combined to fully understand what 4-FA does, because it felt like it needed something with a lot of serotonin generation with it. 7mg 5-MeO-MiPT, 25mg 2C-B HCl, and 110mg 4-FA HCl was what I took, a combination of the weeks prior, taken at once.

Initially, for the first 30-45 minutes, I felt very little, with more becoming apparent around 40 minutes. Stimulation, with some kinda visuals that normally wouldn't be apparent on 2C-B alone at this point, showed. It was hard to tell whether I was feeling 5-MeO-MiPT or 2C-B first, but it felt like at 2C-B long tracer became apparent, and it was before I'd normally feel 2C-B. Interesting.

By about 1:15 into the experience, I felt what the oft-referenced MDMA-like qualities were, and that it really just needed something 'coupled' with it to give it the kick. Combined, I felt analytical, creative, introspective, empathetic, and in tune with myself, like I had the week prior, but with more energy and drive. A beautiful, wonderful MDMA replacement, wholly unique as a blend, almost worthy of a name if one should ever think of one. Music was enhanced much akin to MDMA, but adds in its own unique way that is distinct from MDMA or MDA. Very social like MDA and MDMA.

Snorting it alone would tell me 4-FA is different from MDMA and MDA immediately, based on anecdotal reports of it being especially damaging to nasal tissue (possibly from fluorine). MDMA and MDA have action on their own, 4-FA needs a serotonin boost elsewhere to gain MDMA-like boost and qualities. It caused some of the same body side effects that are commonly associated with MDMA/MDA (hyperthermia, notably).

A marked dropped in energy was felt between 6-7 hours for the 4-FA, along with many of the trippy qualities of the 5-MeO-MiPT/2C-B blend dwindling, dwindling at this time. It was all coming down at the same time, which is what I anticipated and wanted. The stimulation dies along with the trip. Perfect way to end. I hate feeling like if I take something together, one of the effects lingers longer; with this combination, that's not the case.

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In short // tl;dr:
4-FA offers a lot of stimulation with some serotonin potential, which taken with very serotogenic compounds, causes MDMA + compound-like results. Adds much in the same way MDMA or MDA do. It offers the same energy as MDMA or MDA.

When combined with serotogenic compounds, 4-FA's full character begins to emerge, especially at or above 100mg, where I've explored it. In my opinion, it's uninteresting without something along side of it. My girlfriend and I both wrote off the higher doses originally, but when I explored with something else, I was surprised.

Exp Year: 2017ExpID: 110431
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 25 
Published: Jun 27, 2017Views: 2,087
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