Citation: Kaleida. "Found It: An Experience with 4-AcO-MALT & Nitrous Oxide (exp110819)". Erowid.org. Feb 1, 2018. erowid.org/exp/110819
This was my second experience with 4-AcO-MALT. My first experience was not too long before this, but it had only produced generally mild effects, so I decided to double the dose and try again. This experience I would say was much more full and successful, though in several ways was still an overall mild trip, which I will get into a bit more intimately throughout the report. Nonetheless, I was quite happy with how the experience went, and also felt that it would be perfectly safe for me to push higher and try to get even fuller effects next time, so that's what I intend to do. But, for now....
My previous experience with psychedelics includes DMT, MET, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-MALT, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-EiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, and MDMA. My most recent trip was about two and a half weeks before this on 25 mg of 4-AcO-MALT.
T+0:00 - 50 mg of 4-AcO-MALT was ingested with water and some pretzels. Yuck, the taste of these molecules.... I don't know if I'll ever get used to it. But, luckily it didn't stick around for too long.
T+0:05 - I took a short bathroom break to help ensure that I would be as comfortable as possible as the drug was coming on, then hopped in a hot shower.
T+0:30 - I'm now out of the shower and getting dressed, and not much has happened yet but there are slight effects. I was actually surprised to find that it was harder to detect coming up than the 25 mg from last time, but I am suspecting that this may be because this tryptamine seems to follow the same pattern that many others do for me where lower doses, often around 25 mg, are significantly more stimulating than higher doses, often around 50 mg, which can be paradoxically quite calm at times
this tryptamine seems to follow the same pattern that many others do for me where lower doses, often around 25 mg, are significantly more stimulating than higher doses, often around 50 mg, which can be paradoxically quite calm at times
. It's very interesting to me that this seems to occur independently of the hallucinogenic effects and appears at different ratios with them depending on the drug in question however, as it makes for some interesting variance among the different molecules in just what uses their different psychedelic experiences can really have. But, I digress. Mostly what I was feeling at this time was some heaviness in the body not unlike other 4-substituted tryptamines, and the faintest hints of basic visuals, but I also could tell that some unrest was building in my stomach.
T+0:35 - I suddenly had a big smile spread over my face and had a little spontaneous laughter, a good sign for me when coming up on a psychedelic. Then, about a minute later, my stomach twisted up more fully and I knew exactly what to do; I went straight to the sink and had a good dry heave, which felt basically like a purge on an oral base tryptamine but minus the actual purging. After this point, the stomach discomfort faded slowly, but not too slowly, and did not return.
T+0:45 - At this point I took my first hit from a bong bowl of cannabis I had prepared earlier, and, as usual for me when taking my first smoke on a psychedelic, it felt like a breath of fresh air. The body feeling I had before then became a bit more relaxed and less tense, and immediately I could tell that the psychedelic state was going to be enhanced by that hit kicking in, though the ways in which it would do so were not obvious just yet. Excited, I took a second hit, and put on a couple songs to wait for them to kick in. Music sounded nice, but I was also a little too distracted to focus on it, also a good sign at this point in the experience if you ask me.
T+0:55 - The high was really kicking in now and I was starting to see more typical, and complex but still subtle visual effects, like the kind that you could tell would be quite overwhelming if only you didn't have to stare so hard at things just to see them at all. I decided to close my eyes instead, and this was where the real show was beginning: a beautiful and very colorful lattice or spiderweb sort of pattern was beginning to unfold in front of me, and wasn't too complex at that first glance but would very clearly become that if allowed to grow for just a second or two, but at this point I decided to pull myself out of it and save that first run at true intensity for what I was going to do next. I got up, walked over to take one more big hit of cannabis, and then went to lie down in a dark room and inhale eight cartridges of nitrous oxide.
Before I begin explaining this part of the experience, I need to give some context so that my state of mind at the time can be better understood. One of my big expectations for the 4-AcO-MALT, based both just on logical deductions based on things like its chemical structure and from the hints of it that I had seen with my previous experience, was that it would probably have at least a few relatively significant overlaps with 4-HO-MPT. For me, this is fairly significant, given that 4-HO-MPT is without question my favorite 4-substituted tryptamine and research chemical in general, at least so far. So, relevantly to this situation, I have also found that 4-HO-MPT has the greatest synergy with nitrous oxide for me of any drug that I have mixed it with, and one of the biggest reasons for this is that when I did this combination with 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT it actually induced a spontaneous orgasm in me, not just like a very orgasmic body high or feeling of psychological fulfillment or anything like that, but a full-blown orgasm experience, with the first thing I noticed as I started returning from full dissociation being the moans coming out of my mouth and my body spasming on its own. Interestingly, at this time I also had a very brief, fleeting feeling, and just not that, not a hallucination or anything, that there was actually someone else there making me feel this way as well, which really just adds to my feeling that it was like activating the genuine orgasm mechanism, like my brain was tricked into thinking I was having sex or something for just that moment. It was completely unexpected at the time, especially with how hard I had been tripping up to that moment, but, as one might imagine, I was pretty happy about it after the fact, actually literally as satisfied as I would have been after an actual really strong orgasm. So, getting back to the 4-AcO-MALT, one thing I of course had on my mind was this experience, and I was very curious to see if this trip would produce any particularly similar effects, but of course also trying not to let my expectations guide my experience too much....
So, there I was in the dark, and once I got myself fully comfortable lying in bed, I started inhaling the nitrous oxide. Before I even started feeling anything I noticed that similar visuals to those I had gotten with eyes closed were starting to appear around me in the darkness now too, and one of their most significant factors is that I saw a large silhouette of a beautiful naked woman situated within the abstract colorful designs situated directly in front of me, and as I focused on her all the rest of the visuals readily faded around her until she completely dominated my awareness. Furthermore, as the nitrous oxide did start really kicking in and my inhaling continued, she grew larger and larger until she began to blot out my perceptions and I couldn't even really perceive more than a tiny piece of her form anymore. Interestingly, at the same rate this was occurring, I also of course felt the nitrous oxide body high kicking in and blending with the one I had been feeling from the 4-AcO-MALT, and with every single breath I noticed that the feeling I was getting all together was becoming increasingly and more penetratingly sexual, and I ended up slowing down the rate at which I was inhaling just to extend the feeling and let it build up with something of a more 'intimate' touch. Suddenly, the visual experience changed, and the woman was gone. At first I was looking at a dark void illuminated only by a dim light in the distance, and I felt as though there was a sense of separation between me and this space, as if the void I was seeing was actually pressed up against a wall against my eyelids. Within seconds of this change however, and with my nitrous oxide inhalations steadily continuing, more imagery began to emerge from the void, and still sexual in nature. But, this is time it was not one beautiful woman, but several, and it was an entire silhouette, but rather an endless progression of hands and moaning faces being pressed up against the transparent wall separating us. The erotic feeling I had before was also still increasing at a consistent rate, but, it may be worth noting that despite these things in the moment I actually found myself really questioning whether or not that orgasm experience could actually be reached, given that no matter how euphoric I was I still wasn't actually tripping anywhere as hard as I was on the 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT, either visually or mentally. I was worried that perhaps this would all just be a tease, or a lesson about understanding the limits of psychoactive euphoria...
...and then, it came. My whole body started to fill with a rushing sensation, and my mind's eye presented me with a vivid of image of rapidly zooming in from far away to stop right in front of my own face. Fascinatingly, seeing a visual of my own face at the center of my field of vision while peaking on a nitrous oxide balloon is something I have also experienced relatively recently and only ever on 4-HO-EPT, but at that time there was no significant euphoria associated with the experience, certainly nothing orgasmic like this, and, relevantly to this, my face looked completely normal at this time. On the other hand, 4-HO-MPT did not produce this effect at any time I combined nitrous oxide with it despite producing the orgasm experience, but, notably, it did produce this effect for me that 4-HO-EPT or really any other psychedelic has not, where when I looked at my face in the mirror it was like I was seeing the most beautiful person in the world, like even though it still just looked like me and I was not in any way confused about that my brain kept registering my facial features as similar to like various celebrities who I find particularly attractive, for instance. So, these things are important to mention now, because in this case, the 4-AcO-MALT actually caused both simultaneously; as the rush occurred and I zoomed into my face, just like with 4-HO-EPT, it was immediately obvious that I was not seeing my regular face, but my 'most beautiful person in the world' face, just like with 4-HO-MPT, and at that exact moment I felt the orgasm finally hit me, and saw my face visual mirror my actual face in instinctively letting out a loud moan.
This all happened so quickly that took me a second to even really process what was happening, but as soon as I did I raised the balloon back to my lips and kept inhaling. It didn't cause that rush to happen again, but it did cause the sexual feelings to deepen, and caused me to moan and giggle a little more. I noticed at this point that this sort of 'most perfect self' effect that I related to 4-HO-MPT was now also extending beyond my face in my mind's eye and tactile sensations and I felt as if my entire body was transformed to match all the dimensions that my mind has subconsciously built up to represent all the sexiest expressions of the human form based on my own desires and fantasies, and of course this sort of full satisfaction with the body can greatly deepen the feelings of satisfaction that accompanied and further facilitated the sort of orgasmic state I was in. Another thing I noticed as I continued to inhale is that I once again had this unmistakable feeling, and still not hallucination, that I was actually having this sexual experience with someone else, and I actually found myself wanting to make, and a couple times actually making, brief verbal vocalizations as if there were actually someone there to hear them. Everything about the experience at this point was simply fascinating to me, and I found myself wanting to experience it as much as possible, for a variety of reasons of course, but, alas, at one point my balloon ran out and I was forced to come down again.
T+1:05 - This is the point at which I actually fully emerged from the balloon and started making notes about the experience. As I got up and started moving around I found myself still extremely satisfied just like I had been after having my similar experience on 4-HO-MPT, so I decided to go out into the living room and relax for a bit while listening to some music. At first I just sat on the couch and looked around, noting that there still really wasn't much going on in the way of open eye visuals, but with eyes closed I was seeing a colorful afterimage of the living room slowly rocking back and forth in a way that left tracers that would increasingly stack over each other, and I actually really enjoyed this because it was an exact type of visual I have gotten before and found quite amusing on mushrooms, but not for many, many years as I have not had them in that long. Shortly after the music started however and I found it nicely enhanced, I started getting some subtle surges of energy throughout my body and felt compelled to get up and dance. I was able to let my feelings out very energetically and produced a lot of fun psychedelic patterns (felt, not seen) with my movements while throwing myself around, and in general I would say I found it similarly rewarding to other stimulating indole psychedelics that I would consider my favorites such as LSD, 4-HO-MET, and 4-HO-MPT. I did this for about twenty minutes, and then after deciding that the trip seemed like it probably wasn't going to become all that much more powerful on its own, decided to make use of some more nitrous oxide while I had the chance.
T+1:30 - I began inhaling, intending to go into myself as usual, but then I suddenly found myself struck with more energy again, and decided to make the unusual decision to finish my balloon while simultaneously dancing to the speedy music I was listening to. I found it surprisingly effortless to do so, and had a blast jumping all around the room in the way that I normally would but even more perfectly coordinated and excitedly, and noting to myself that I must have done too much nitrous oxide by now to be able to do this so easily when it used to be that I would start falling over laughing if I tried to move during a balloon, but at the same time I felt pretty confident that this was likely at least partially because of how stimulating the psychedelic I was on was. Anyway, the balloon was nice, but it didn't change the mood much and I just kept listening to music, but about twenty minutes later I found myself just a little bit more worn out from dancing and ready to relax, and the trip still hadn't changed much in that time, so I decided to try again.
T+1:55 - This time I again only used four cartridges for a balloon, and I did so while sitting on the couch with my eyes open and thinking introspectively with the music still playing in the background, quite a different setting from my previous balloon. As the high began setting in I was getting deeper and deeper into thought, so much so that I actually sort of even forgot to pay attention for any psychoactive effects. I reflected on a lot of the changing social dynamics I have been experiencing in my life lately and some things that I have been going through with certain friends that I haven't had the chance to see much as of late, the sorts of things I would be thinking about generally anyway but a bit more deeply due to my altered state. Suddenly I remembered that I was in the process of getting high, and looked around the room and was quickly greeted by a fairly nifty visual: transparent and sort of 'mind's eye' in nature but quite present and stable representations of my friends and family completely integrated into the 3D space around me and swiftly moving around with neon tracers following them. However, this only lasted for a moment, and afterwards I was just left to ponder what I had just experienced.
T+2:15 - I stopped the music at this point, and for the first time really thought about what time it was, usually a sign for me that I'm starting to come down from a strong psychedelic state. I also noticed that I was getting incredibly hungry, but still didn't have much of an appetite yet, so I ate some strawberry yogurt and pretzels.
T+2:30 - Since I wasn't feeling too compelled to move anymore, I decided to take a hot bath. I felt that it would mix nicely with the way my body felt, and it's certainly never steered my wrong on psychedelics before.
T+3:30 - I started getting out of the bath and drying off around this time. There wasn't much that was really that worth noting, just that it was incredibly relaxing and I felt that getting in was a great decision. At the end of the bath I also tried bringing myself to orgasm the regular old way (as in, not drug-induced) to see what impact the drug had on this, but I sort of figured that it wouldn't amount to much given how satisfied I already felt, and that's pretty much how it turned out. Nice, but nothing too notable.
T+4:00 - I finished eating a light lunch at this point, which I figured would bring me down more than even already felt by that point. About fifteen minutes later I decided to do one more balloon of nitrous oxide, with eight cartridges just for fun, but it was mostly a nice high with nothing too notable about it. I was pretty sure I was down after that, but still felt slightly tense in the body in a way that was now less relaxing since the euphoria was fading, so I took a less-than-half broken diazepam pill, the exact dosage of which I am unsure of, at T+4:40, and shortly after that I felt all lingering effects vanish.
So, that marks the end of my second experience with 4-AcO-MALT, though I would say I've also been riding a mild but nice afterglow in the couple of days since then. Overall, while this trip was certainly still fairly subtle, as a high I still found it very powerful and satisfying, and of course when combined with nitrous oxide that was exponentially more true. I feel that it's fairly likely that this sort of combination may end up being my primary use, or at least one of my primary uses of this molecule, because, honestly, who wouldn't repeatedly seek out a high that causes basically no effects other than a spontaneous orgasm? Even 4-HO-MPT, despite doing that, simply would not qualify for the same uses, since it also produced powerful hallucinations and dissociative and psychological effects at the same time, and really, the 4-AcO-MALT's was still more satisfying anyway particularly when combined with the 4-HO-EPT-like elements. It really so pure and complete in this way that I came out of feeling like I had finally achieved a long-term goal of tracking down the psychoactive or psychoactive combination that actually would be able to produce this effect readily, and I recall that one of my very first thoughts upon returning was 'Found it. Good game, drugs.'
Nonetheless, I did still find the regular psychedelic effects that I did get from the 4-AcO-MALT quite interesting as well, and have a couple things to say about them too. First of all, I am actually quite surprised by the fact that I seem to be consistently finding this one somewhat similar to base tryptamines, both in the visual style and in the fact that both of my trips on it so far have caused me to dry heave with the same sort of feeling that those make me purge, and I would actually say that the visuals are specifically most similar to MET for me so far, which interestingly also only made me dry heave instead of fully purge. On the other hand, and not unlike I would expect due to its relation to molecules like 4-HO-MPT, I also find its effects to feel very reminiscent of LSD for me in some ways, including the very erotic visual style that I was getting at the peak before that first nitrous oxide balloon and also the 3D imagination visuals I got later on with the third balloon. In addition, I have also noticed that some of the geometric visuals I have noticed so far, both in color and organization, have given me sort of this 'tryptamine carnival' feeling, like this very bright and flashy and abstract style that is sort of hard to describe but I do think 'carnival' is a good start, which I have also gotten before by far the most strongly on 4-AcO-DALT, which I certainly think is interesting given that these are both allyl tryptamines. Aside from the visuals, this one generally feels like other 4-substituted tryptamine psychedelics to me, though so far I suspect it might also be one of the mentally lighter ones based on my experiences with it so far, perhaps more alike 4-HO-MET than 4-HO-MPT in that respect.
The next time I take 4-AcO-MALT I intend to raise my dose again in the hopes of bringing those more fully psychedelic effects out, probably around 75 mg, and I think I may actually try smoking it at some point too, since that route of administration actually was fairly effective for me with 4-AcO-DALT, and really brought out those carnival visuals the most. I am quite curious to just how all of these different factors I have noted from the experience will combine when they are all occurring very intensely and simultaneously, but I suppose I will have to wait patiently to have my questions about that answered... so, until then, I shall say farewell for now!
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