Citation: Kaleida. "Narcotic Psychedelia: An Experience with 4-HO-EPT (exp110915)". Erowid.org. Sep 22, 2017. erowid.org/exp/110915
This was my sixth experience with 4-HO-EPT. The experience as whole actually wasn't really that remarkable, and normally I probably wouldn't write a report about such a trip on half the maximum dose I have already written about before, but I did want to get this one out there due to the different perspective I took on the experience compared to my past trips on 4-HO-EPT. This one was definitely a bit different than the previous ones and not as satisfiying, but it did still show some utility nonetheless, so I think it deserves to have that side of it put on display.
My previous experience with psychedelics includes DMT, MET, MiPT, DiPT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-MALT, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-EiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 2C-B, 2C-I, DOC, and MDMA. My most recent trip was around two weeks before this on 50 mg of 4-AcO-MALT.
T+0:00 - 55 mg of 4-HO-EPT was taken orally with a snack to get the taste out of my mouth.
T+0:10 - I went to the bathroom and got in the shower to pass the time as the drug kicked in. Notably, I felt that I could tell something was kicking in in there a bit faster than I recall being able to in the past.
T+0:32 - Out of the shower and dressed, I started smoking cannabis and listening to music. Normally I wait a bit longer after dosing on a psychedelic before doing this, to wait for the hallucinogenic potential to really start showing itself, but in this case I really wasn't expecting such a thing to significantly come from 4-HO-EPT anymore, so I was just treating it more like a high and decided to stack this one on too.
T+1:03 - I am feeling incredibly sedated, not unlike I remember from previous 4-HO-EPT trips, but heavier than I can ever remember, and without the same level of euphoric stimulation to balance it out. There was a period of time here that I spend mostly just weirdly rolling around and crashing into my bed while trying to move but at the same time feeling too heavy to want to get up.
T+1:48 - I felt weird, so I masturbated to pass the time and wait for more pleasant effects to show up. It was effective, but nothing notable other than that it wasn't difficult. Afterwards I did notice that my body was starting to feel tingly, but I was still too sedated overall to enjoy it. In my notes I wrote 'good and weird but weirdgood'.
I did notice that my body was starting to feel tingly, but I was still too sedated overall to enjoy it. In my notes I wrote 'good and weird but weirdgood'.
T+2:20 - Until this point I had been in my bedroom, but then I went out into the living room and talked to my roommate a bit, who then left to run an errand at this time stamp. Afterwards I just sat down in one of the living room chairs and put some music on, and started thinking about the high I was experiencing... and I realized, of all things, this experience was actually extreme similar to an opioid high. I don't use opioids very much myself, but I had actually just the week before this taken some hydrocodone for a really bad headache, and the similarities between that and this were stunning; the couch lock feeling, the tingly euphoria that mostly exists when not moving and turns more into nausea when you are moving, the sort of aware but distant and sensory feeling, and of course the relative lack of hallucinogenic effects... but that is really to say relative, as very much unlike hydrocodone there were indeed some psychedelic effects, both visual and mental.
Nothing ever became particularly intense or meaningful, but I definitely was in a bit of an introspective psychedelic headspace, and there were transparent but complex patterns that could be seen mostly in my peripheral or when staring at the carpet or walls for a bit, and then had a dark green, in one way LSD-like but at the same time sort of industrial feeling to them, which is not unlike some visuals I've had on ethyl indoles before. So, all together, I pretty much felt like I was on a mild dose of an LSD-like substance and a moderate dose of an opioid, and that was definitely an interesting place to be in at the time. Wanting to make the most of it, I decided to do a balloon of nitrous oxide using four cartridges at this point too, and I don't really have much to say about it, but it was definitely hedonistic, psychological deep, and powerfully analgesic, much like I would expect it to be at this point, and I definitely came out of it feeling quite a bit more satisfied than I had been beforehand.
T+2:53 - After enjoying listening to music for a bit more, though while totally couch locked instead of dancing like I often do with psychedelics, I decided to load another balloon of nitrous oxide since it was so pleasant the first time, and since I wasn't doing anything but sitting there and listening to music while zoning out anyway. Once again nothing extremely significant or different from usual happened, but it was incredibly soothing combined with the high, and by the time I got through it all I was completely convinced about my feelings on the experience, and wrote in my notes that this was 'the opiate of LSD-like trips'.
T+3:42 - This trip is convincing me to just suck down one balloon after another with how sedated and dissociated it is, and I didn't even document when this one started, but at this point I finished another four cartridges of nitrous oxide. Once again, mostly just a nice high. I actually only had two cartridges left after that, and I was starting to become un-sedated enough to move around again, so I loaded those last two into a balloon and did them while dancing to a speedy song. Afterwards though, with no more magic gas to remove myself from reality with, I started paying more attention to the way my body felt again and noticed that I was getting pretty hungry.
T+4:00 - I ordered some food for delivery and then decided to take another shower to relax while waiting for it to arrive. Shortly after I got out, and before the food arrived, my roommate got home. We talked a bit, and then the food arrived and I got pretty engaged in eating it and not really thinking too much about the trip for the moment.
T+5:05 - My roommate wanted to smoke some cannabis, which I kind of didn't want to do anymore at this point because I already had a headache, but I have a tough time turning down offers to smoke, and of course he filled his giant bong with a bowl and told me take the whole thing at once. Reluctantly, I did it, and then I went to grab myself a beer to offset the coming physical tension.
T+5:14 - That bowl seems to have brought some more of the trippiness out again.... I was reading some political stories on my laptop and saw some ridiculous advertisement about a cruise ship that seemed to imply that if you took that cruise you'd be surrounded by nothing but beautiful women all the time, and I had this sudden flash of vivid imagery in my mind's eye of this cruise ship showing how it was actually something that shady rich people paid to go on and each room came with a woman in it dressed up in bikinis and stuff just waiting for them, like human trafficking but out on the open waters to avoid persecution. I'm sure this was at least somewhat influenced by the depressing political stories I was reading, but it's impossible to say now.... Anyway, I didn't think much of it at the time in terms of the theme of the visual, I was just amused that something so vivid was still happening, and among the imagery of it all there were actually very briefly little flame-like visuals that reminded me somewhat of LSD mixed in in random places.
T+6:05 - At this point I am super zonked.... I'm still working on that one beer, but it already combined with the opiate-like high has caused me to become incredibly sedated and out of it, and it seems like the psychedelic effects have finally pretty much vanished by this point. I wrote a little more in my notes, but it was all about taking alcohol, and I actually ended up taking a few shots after this over the next few hours and having a good time, but for the sake of the 4-HO-EPT report I will end it here.
So, like I said, ultimately it wasn't that crazy of an experience, but I do think it was notably specifically for how narcotic it was for me, and just wanted to get that perspective out there. Interestingly, the more I think about it and the more research I do, the more I see that this seems to be common with certain tryptamines.... Honestly, I have even described 4-HO-EPT as opiate-like in discussion before, but only made that judgement in retrospect, and never realized just how on I was at the time until now. I have also seen EPT be described as having an opiate-like body high, as well as heard others say similar things about 4-HO-DPT and DPT, and, most damningly of all, I myself have also written a report on 4-AcO-DALT called From New Perspectives
wherein I specifically compared it to an opioid. However, with 4-AcO-DALT, that was because a paper had just come out showing that DALT-based tryptamines had some opioid receptor activity... so it seemed a bit different at the time, but notably, the feelings between these two trips were quite similar.
Does 4-HO-EPT have any opioid activity? I certainly couldn't say, but I will say in retrospect that I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. I think that the feeling that these trips cause could probably also be explained by more common receptor activities, like high 5-HT1A receptor affinity or something, but I suppose we will have to wait and see what the research says about that. Regardless, it is an interesting perspective to be able to take on these psychedelics.
Anyway, that's it for now!
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