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Lamictal Did Not Reduce Intensity
by tragicomedy
Citation:   tragicomedy. "Lamictal Did Not Reduce Intensity: An Experience with 3-MeO-PCE (exp113048)". Apr 10, 2019.

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25 mg oral Cannabis - High THC (edible / food)
  T+ 0:00 17 mg rectal 3-MEO-PCE  
  T+ 0:40   repeated smoked Damiana  
  T+ 1:30 10 mg rectal 3-MEO-PCE  
  T+ 3:00 1 hit smoked Cannabis  
  T+ 3:30 1 hit smoked Cannabis  
  T+ 0:00   transdermal Testosterone (daily)
  T+ 0:00 10 mg oral Pharms - Aripiprazole (daily)
  T+ 0:00 100 mg oral Pharms - Lamotrigine (daily)
  T+ 0:00 150 mg oral Pharms - Bupropion (daily)
  T+ 0:00     Cannabis (daily)


In addition to the daily testosterone gel I apply, I take 10 mg aripiprazole and 100 mg lamotrigine nightly, and 150 mg bupropion in the mornings. I have experience with ketamine, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-HO-PCP, 3-HO-PCE, and memantine. I also have experience with a variety of serotonergic psychedelics, and I use cannabis daily.

This was my first time using an arylcyclohexylamine since dropping venlafaxine and starting 100 mg of lamotrigine, a change that has had a noticeable positive impact on my mood. This was my first real disso experience in almost a month, my last trip being a slightly underwhelming 450 mg of DXM on February 23rd, aside from 20 mg of memantine between times. (I feel it should be noted that 20 mg is a therapeutic dose).

I have tried 3-MeO-PCE in the past, having received 100 mg from a friend last summer. That batch was from a different vendor from the batch I describe here. My previous impressions of 3-MeO were that it was strange, moderately fun, but utterly incapacitating at high doses. I only insufflated it. I was in a stressful environment at that time, and for this reason also I didnít have the best time with it, I think. Iím living in a much better environment and overall my mental health has increased considerably since then.

Note: Lamotrigine suppresses glutamate release, and for this reason there is some speculation that it suppresses the psychedelic effects of dissos. I have read anecdotal evidence that contradicts this, and intended to test it as lamotrigine should, if anything, be neuroprotective against dissociative-related damage.

Initial 3-MeO-PCE dose: 17 mg IR
Redose: 10 mg IR after an hour and a half

I was eager to see how my change of medications would affect my dissociative experiences, and I was also curious to see how I would respond to 3-MeO-PCE - my first non-ketamine arylcyclohexylamine - after gaining more experience with the class.
Prior to dosing I took 25 mg of THC in edible form, but did not consume THC other than that.

5:43 PM: I do not feel anything immediately aside from the usual sensation of having put water into my ass. I listen to music and relax, telling my roommate and friend (both dissonauts who I share a group chat with) that Iíve dosed.
5:53 PM: I mention feeling wobbly in the chat. My roommate, who works until 10 PM tonight, asks me to measure some for her. I measure 15 mg and set it aside, knowing I may have difficulty doing so later on.
6:10 PM: I announce to a larger psychedelic/dissociative server I am in that Iím starting to feel it, and chat with my friends there over text.

6:23 PM: I comment that I wish I had weed on hand. A friend of mine who loves 3-MeO-PCE and first introduced me to it recommends I try damiana, which they had previously sent to me, and I smoke some. I notice a slight increase in my buzz, though whether from the damiana or simply the passage of time I canít tell. I have a slight headache - I have eaten little today, but donít have anything easily preparable to hand. I drink some water and turn down my screen brightness.
In my other chat, the friend who is not my roommate (I will refer to them as M) tells me that they have dosed 20 mg 3-MeO-PCP, something they had been planning. I introduced M to 3-MeO-PCP a couple of months ago, and theyíve become a great fan of it since. They have described some especially powerful experiences that Iíve been somewhat envious of.

6:53 PM: I am listening to the album THANK YOU by Black Dresses, an industrial noise pop band Iíve recently gotten into. I say to my friends that I consider them to be ideal disso music, because itís musically interesting and the dissociative softens the harshness, while also removing me a bit emotionally from the experience. (BD primarily write songs about complex trauma, and while I really like their music I get overwhelmed by it pretty easily.)

7:21 PM: I redose 10 mg, feeling somewhat impatient. M continues to describe their experience.
7:50 PM: I tell M that I am still feeling a bit underwhelmed by the 3-MeO-PCE. I have been worrying that my lamotrigine may inhibit my ability to trip on dissociatives, and I find myself increasingly craving weed.
8:11 PM: Around this time I decide to call a Lyft to take me to visit my weed dealer, who I will refer to as V. V knows that I do RCs, though he himself only does ketamine, a drug he has extensive experience with. I listen to Spirit Phone by Lemon Demon, another favorite album of mine, on the ride to Vís apartment. I am feeling distinctly more dissociated now, and wonder if maybe this was a bad idea, but I am very comfortable and enjoy the ride immensely. The sky is dark now and we drive through the city as I relax.
8:45 PM: When I get to Vís place I first buy some weed from him, then ask if itís alright if I stay there until my roommate can pick me up after she gets off work at 10. He says yes. I ask if I can use his bong, and he assents - I take a hit and begin telling him a bit about the drug Iím on. I describe the qualitative differences between the PCP and PCE analogues, as well as my own preferences.

9:13 PM: I message M and my roommate (who from here on out will be referred to as N) that I feel like the first time I did ketamine (which happened at Vís apartment a bit over a year ago). At this point I feel as if the particles of my body have separated and are vibrating rapidly, a feeling I associate with high doses of ketamine.
I feel as if the particles of my body have separated and are vibrating rapidly, a feeling I associate with high doses of ketamine.
I comment to V that if I take another hit, I feel like I might phase out of my body. My headache is still there, but the intense physical sensations of the 3-MeO-PCE are drowning it out. M sends me a streaming link to ďJesus Built My HotrodĒ by Ministry and tells me to listen.
I take a second bong hit and close my eyes, putting the song on.

The CEVs I experience now are distinct from those I have had on ketamine, memantine, and serotonergic psychedelics. My first impression is that they are similar in level of detail to the visuals I experienced on DMT and memantine - line drawings on a dark background. However, they are much more digital and slightly sinister looking, taking the form of dark red lines forming rushing visuals. I am also struck by the level of detail and crispness to the visuals, and by how well I am able to retain memories of them.

Below are some I remember:
A two dimensional sun with large triangular rays emanating from it. Inside the rays are scenes of parades with smiling, marching figures. All of this is animated in the style of a 1930ís American cartoon.
Vaguely cyberpunk geometric cityscapes that engulf me and span endlessly in every direction.
Radially symmetric images of humanoid figures working - I canít tell what they are doing, but it might be sewing.
During this time I feel fairly lucid despite the intensity of my visuals and the bodily sensations I am experiencing. I think about how I want to tell M about what Iím seeing. I also realize that I have no idea how long the song is, never having heard it before, and that I canít gauge how much time has passed. My headache is also intensifying, probably due to the music. I feel determined to listen to the full song, however.

9:24 PM: I finish the song and open my eyes. I am somewhat disoriented and very, very high, and I tell M that I feel like I really am phasing out of my body. Around this time I also begin to worry a bit about how long my high is going to last, as I know that THC increases the duration of an already lengthy dissociative. As much as I am enjoying my current state, the thought of spending hours in it is frightening.
9:54 PM: Up to this point I have been sitting on the floor, and now I get up - I am relieved to find I can still walk - and sit on a recliner. I try listening to some of my own music, but find that my headache has gotten to the point where any amount of music is unpleasant. I message a friend from the larger group chat, who also has experience with 3-MeO-PCE, about what has happened and say that Iím a bit embarrassed about how reckless Iíve been with dosing. I contemplate taking noopept, as I have used it to end disso trips in the past.
Iím a bit embarrassed about how reckless Iíve been with dosing. I contemplate taking noopept, as I have used it to end disso trips in the past.

I ask V for an ibuprofen, and I am given ibuprofen and water. I am comfortable aside from my headache.

10:20 PM: N arrives, and I make the intimidating trip down the flight of stairs leading from Vís apartment. Once I reach the first landing I decide to take the elevator down the rest of the way.
N is a bit tired but still interested in dosing herself, and does so not long after we get home. I eat a yogurt.
11:32 PM: N and I put on Repo! The Genetic Opera and eat hash browns and eggs. By this time I have come down somewhat, and my headache has also mostly dissipated. I find that I am able to follow the plot of the movie without great difficulty, although my vision is still quite blurry.
1:10 PM: Having finished the film, I sit with N for a bit and eat some raspberries. She is now fully come up on the 3-MeO-PCE. Shortly after this I go to bed, and N stays up listening to music.

11:30 AM: I wake up, having woken once earlier around 7:30 and fallen back asleep. I have class at 1 PM, and feel a bit groggy but happy. I go and talk to N, who is also up at this point, and smoke a little of the weed I bought the night before as well as have some coffee. We agree that we still both feel a bit dissociated, and I am almost late to class due to somehow convincing myself it was several hours earlier than it actually was, but I get to class without incident and have a fairly pleasant day.

Final thoughts: I would like to revisit this dose, or possibly try higher doses, when I have no obligations the day following and have planned a bit better and eaten well throughout the day. I definitely had a good time, but I think going out to Vís apartment alone in that state is something I donít want to repeat. I would also like to try combining 3-MeO-PCE with memantine, as I have previously combined low dose memantine with 3-MeO-PCP and enjoyed it a lot.

I came out of the experience with a new respect for these drugs and a new understanding of my own limits, and Iím thankful that nothing actually bad came out of it.

Exp Year: 2019ExpID: 113048
Gender: Not Specified 
Age at time of experience: 22 
Published: Apr 10, 2019Views: 2,015
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