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Never Quite Got There
by Dioptre
Citation:   Dioptre. "Never Quite Got There: An Experience with 4-Ethylmethcathinone (exp113559)". Sep 10, 2019.

T+ 0:00
145 mg rectal 4-Ethylmethcathinone
  T+ 0:08 65 mg rectal 4-Ethylmethcathinone
  T+ 5:14 0.5 mg   Etizolam


Retrospectively (TL;DR)
It was a different experience to what I was expecting, less of a plain stimulant and more of an empathogen note to it. However, it does seem that there is a bit of a ceiling to the contentment and satisfaction ("magic"?) that one might get from a solid dose of MDMA, for example. That makes it very easy to convince oneself that the dose is too low and therefore reflexively take more to look for something that is never really going to arrive.

I have to say that after pushing the dose quite a lot, I am very impressed by the gentle downward slope, only very mild anxiety afterwards and total normality the next day. A total duration of around 3 hours. All the longer chain (buphedrone, pyrovalerones, pentedrones etc) I have tried in the past would make it much harder to sleep and that would impact my next day.

With a total of 422mg consumed for this level of effect it's obviously not a very potent compound and it would be frustrating to need to buy it by the shovel-load. Were it legal, I think this would work out OK but as it's not easy to get, I don't think this substance has a whole lot of value.


The substance has been verified by FTIR

Occasional selegiline use recently, about 4mg nasally per week. I don't find selegiline has a particularly strong effect on stimulant potency, perhaps because most stimulants already evade the MAO-B enzyme without help. I have mild stimulant tolerance, also about one mild dose per week. I generally don't like huge doses of things.

18:20 2019-09-02 - 145mg 4-EMC rectal
18:28 2019-09-02 - Little so far. I take a further 65mg rectally
18:40 2019-09-02 - still much less strong than I was expecting. I have a look to see if I can find any more reports of dosage for nasal use. There are very few
18:45 2019-09-02 - Some lift now but still less than expected.
18:51 2019-09-02 - I add 77mg more rectally. The effects are more clear now
18:57 2019-09-02 - I really need to poop.
19:04 2019-09-02 - I lie on my back and pull my knees up with the soles of my feet towards the ceiling. I feel much better. After standing up I feel the effects much more.
19:08 2019-09-02 - Feels a bit cloudy-headed, like there is a fairly noticeable serotonergic component which I didn't anticipate
19:16 2019-09-02 - The effects are unmistakable now and I feel a little intoxicated but the peripheral effects seem to be much more significant than the central ones
the peripheral effects seem to be much more significant than the central ones
19:16 2019-09-02 - I am sweating a bit but still feel like something is "lacking" somehow.

19:24 2019-09-02 - I take the last 135mg rectally
19:35 2019-09-02 - I do feel more content and enjoying now, there is a significant serotonergic component. I never quite got the intense mental peace and contentedness that can come from a stimulant onset.
19:36 2019-09-02 - I think this is just "it" from what 4-EMC has to offer. It's a drug, it's intoxicating, it's quite pleasant but it lacks some magic and leaves an itch unscratched.
19:44 2019-09-02 - I wonder if the malaise is a result of hunger - it's a couple of hours after I normally eat. I have a full portion of "Huel" - a complete meal shake.
19:46 2019-09-02 - The effects are strengthening a little more still
19:49 2019-09-02 - There are troughs and peaks. I could see how that would lead to more redosing than necessary. I'm sure oral administration would reduce that.
20:05 2019-09-02 - I'm watching youtube videos, the effects seem to be on a plateau.
20:14 2019-09-02 - when the music stops I realise how good it sounds, reinforcing my hunch about serotonin
20:20 2019-09-02 - I am enjoying working on some code. My vision is distorted slightly and I have chills. There is a good sense of wellbeing.

20:51 2019-09-02 - The effects are definitely waning gradually, my vision is much less distorted now. I feel nice enough and have occasional empathetic thoughts.
21:35 2019-09-02 - A first yawn. I am still quietly working on a coding project, feeling gradually more deflated. Fortunately I am distracted by the task.
21:48 2019-09-02 - Rather more clear-headed stimulation now.
22:01 2019-09-02 - A little anxiety creeping in
22:03 2019-09-02 - Definitely a crash beginning now
22:37 2019-09-02 - It feels like the crash might have been just a trough. I am ever increasingly sober but fairly calm and reasonably content now.
22:56 2019-09-02 - I continue feeling normal and pleasant enough, well focused on my task.
23:04 2019-09-02 - I feel pretty sober now
00:32 2019-09-03 - I finish off the coding and head to bed about 00:30. I feel quite sober by this point and remarkably with very little crash, anxiety or hangover.
00:53 2019-09-02 - I get into bed quite comfortable, feeling like I could sleep naturally. Tired but not totally exhausted

01:34 2019-09-03 - I still don't feel very sleepy so I take 0.5mg of etizolam. I probably only needed 0.25mg but never mind.
09:35 2019-09-03 - I wake up feeling totally normal.

Exp Year: 2019ExpID: 113559
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 28 
Published: Sep 10, 2019Views: 2,058
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