Citation: Kaleida. "Weather The Storm: An Experience with MALT & Cannabis (exp113682)". Erowid.org. Nov 4, 2019. erowid.org/exp/113682
[This trip report is written from a multiple-identity perspective.]
The following Greek letters have been changed to protect the innocent. This trip report is written by Delta.
This was our third experience with MALT and our first time using it orally. The first important thing to say about this report is that we had actually used Amanita pantherina the day prior, too
we had actually used Amanita pantherina the day prior, too
, but we didn't get much out of it. We took 4 g ground up and put into capsules spaced out over like an hour and it was something like T-15:00 before I took the MALT. We had very slight visuals that were colorless and simple and then we passed out and had interesting dreams, mostly. It's possible that it played a role in the effects we got from the MALT but I'm doubting it, there didn't really seem to be any similarities to what we experienced, and we weren't feeling high from it anymore but the time I dosed the next morning. So, make of that what you will!
The reason we wanted to try MALT orally is because we have had a lot of success using MiPT, MPT, and DiPT orally and actually think the first two of those (haven't tried the third this way) are much better orally than smoked, so we've actually decided to try using all of our base tryptamines orally instead and see what we can get out of them regardless of if it takes a higher dosage or not, though luckily we actually seem to be very susceptible to the effects of base tryptamines in general! The beginning of the oral experiment was going to be with either MALT or MET and I couldn't decide which one I wanted to try more so I asked a few friends and MALT was the winner, so that's what I and we went with. As far as I can tell there is no literature about MALT being taken orally before so we weren't sure where to start, we opted for 50 mg because MiPT is very active for us at that dosage but not overwhelming and it's thought of as one of the most potent oral base tryptamines to my knowledge, but of course this one is a total unknown. We also were wrong when we guessed its potency smoked, we thought it would be less potent than MPT because 4-AcO-MALT is compared to 4-HO-MPT but 50 mg smoked kicked our ass at least as much as 40 mg MPT smoked! So we were trying to not go too high this time around, amazingly we still got a decently strong effect anyway.
Our previous experience with psychedelics includes DMT, MET, MPT, EPT, MiPT, DiPT, MALT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-MALT, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-EiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 1P-LSD, 2C-C, 2C-B, 2C-I, 2C-E, DOC, DOB, 4C-D, Myristica fragrans, and MDMA. Aside from the Amanita panetherina, our most recent trip was on 125 mg of 4C-D about two weeks before this.
T+0:00 - I take the 50 mg of MALT orally with a peanut butter bar for flavor.... The chemical tasted bad but it stayed in a chunk rather than just breaking up in our mouth so it wasn't that bad.
T+0:03 - Shower time!! These things hit pretty fast based on our past trips and want to get it out of the way.
T+0:24 - I'm out of the shower now and not much obvious trippiness has happened yet, but suddenly right before typing this I have some slight sparks in front of me like there's a thunderstorm brewing in my mind....
T+0:26 - I put on Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd! I close my eyes as it's playing and I see a distant horizon over a dark landscape with stormy clouds all throughout the sky and an image of the own inner body I identify with as an alter repeated throughout them like visions in the sky, and suddenly feeling high now for sure....
T+0:31 - Zeta switches out and starts walking around, and as she looks down on the carpet we see a distant mountain range forming under the dark and cloudy sky we still feel over our heads and the peaks of mountain are rising up like stalagmites forming fingers of the hands of the Earth reaching up at us. I switch back out with her and we notice that when we switch, our perspective shifts as if we have two different bodies hovering over different parts of this mountain range, when she's out she sees the image through her body whereas I see her floating over the mountains and vice-versa for me, the others who don't come out agree that they have this third-person perception too. As I close my eyes again I see many spiraling cliffs like in Nightmare Before Christmas arranged in an artistic geometric shape and there are realistic copies of my body relaxing on each of the cliffs, and it continues transforming into other similarly spinny imagery.
T+0:36 - I am starting to get some sensations of the room spinning around me like we've taken mushrooms or DMT but the colors are more like LSD which, by the way, also once gave me realistic visuals of storm clouds and lightning and thunder in my head. Reality is starting to rip apart a little bit in mushroom- and LSD-like ways where we're starting to get some 3D imagery of strange and erotic images emerging from the disorientation too. I'm starting to feel maybe slightly anesthetized in a psychedelic way as well.
T+0:40 - I put on Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd. I feel Zeta close to switching out and my visuals are getting heavier, there are smokey trailing visuals appearing and we see a vision of myself from a third-person perspective being covered by these smokey trails and suddenly having a big third eye open up out of nowhere on my forehead, followed by more eyes opening up all throughout the smoke. These images are very real but they're internal even though they overlap the real world, in the external world itself the visuals are slight, sparkliness and moving textures, general breathing of things, and not much else going on yet. I also have a heavy sedated feeling and sometimes a slight nausea that have been building up.
T+0:46 - Kappa comes out to groove to the solo, and as she's doing so she gets more closed eye visuals developing of typical base and other strong tryptamine kinds where it's kind of like they're forming into hallways, but it's not quite into anything totally solid yet. After she's done I switch back out.
T+0:48 - I have Papa Don't Preach by Madonna stuck in my head from the radio so I put it on, while I'm listening and staring at the TV screen I notice that things are definitely starting to get this mushroomy geometric pull and squeeze, the world looks more dreamy and visual in both an ancient and futuristic sort of way now, sort of a broader breathing effect like DMT going on too, and I also have more of that nauseous feeling....
T+0:54 - I burped at the end of the song and it helped a bit with the nauseous feeling, sitting in silence for a minute to help myself adjust....
T+0:56 - Still more burping that helps, I note that this is definitely an active dosage but a low one, I mostly feel really altered and the hallucinogenic effects are very complex and impressive but I can tell they're on what would be the lighter end for their own style. I also note that the experience feels a bit more like DMT I think than a similarly small dosage of MPT does, which is otherwise also really strong and kind of superficially similar to MALT for us, and this is the same way we felt about comparing them after smoking too.
T+1:00 - I go to sit on the bed in our bedroom in Zeta projects herself out next to me as much as she can (a conscious imagination practice effort) so we can sit there together and be a bit intimate and just enjoy the psychedelic experience. The state while not at a completely strong level feels very intense and overwhelming in style and reminds us of past experiences we've had on psychedelics that are really powerful for us. I'm marveling at how some of the visuals forming around us look like some kind of transparent alien spaceship walls the room is transforming into when I look at the time and realize it's only been an hour since we dosed!! I had the time I thought we dosed in my mind a little bit off and I thought it was past an hour already, suddenly it makes sense why this has still been getting stronger and I realize it's probably finally about starting to level out by now.... This stuff has really hit a lot harder than I expected it to once again.
T+1:04 - I put on Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve, there's lots of switching between Zeta and I going on and we pace around just thinking about things.... I don't remember the music enhancement being the best ever but it was really nice too, it was more than just a backdrop to the thinking but it was also still mainly that at this point.
T+1:09 - From here to T+1:39 honestly nearly all we wrote in the notes is about how we were listening to music, I and Omicron, Rho, and Zeta, but that's all we really felt like doing because we were just flying on a good, clean psychedelic energy and just wanted to think about things to ourselves while moving our body and enjoying the sensory pleasures. We didn't make too many notes about the hallucinogenic effects, but they were continuing and they were still quite powerful; one note I did write is that base tryptamine visuals can make other psychedelic visuals seem like a joke at times, there was a point where I was seeing a colossal woman reaching down at me with dozens or hundreds of arms all swirling through a spiral pattern with lots of beautiful and especially purple neon colors around her, the visuals being similar to other tryptamines but especially large and detailed was a bit of a theme with some of them. This was mostly with closed eyes, but we also had still the same kind of mushroom- and DMT-like open eye visual distortions going to some extent throughout all this too, though they definitely did seem to lessen with time. Finally at this end time stamp, I decided to turn off the music for a minute and just stop and take it all in again....
T+1:45 - At this point I start messaging a friend online briefly about the trip and just to say hello, and I finish the message at T+1:51 and decided it's time for more music. I put on My Girls by Animal Collective, and while I was dancing and singing to the music, I started becoming a part of the music video! It begins with the musicians covered in and surrounded by these trippy textures and with these cartoon mouths and I could see the textures around me in my mind's eye vividly and feel them on my body and feel myself with the cartoon mouth going along with what I was saying and everything.... This was one of the coolest versions of this I've experienced I think but this is actually one of the things we've gotten from at least MiPT and maybe MPT but I'm not sure and not from most other psychedelics too, though we have also gotten it from 2C-C and it's one of the things about that psychedelic that we find to make it notably alike a base tryptamine. Anyway, after this we just kept switching and listening to more music too, and also ate some snack bar to help settle our stomach. At T+2:18, I put on a Korean song that our online friend messaged us back and the picture in the YouTube video shows a sun over a horizon and suddenly we see that sort of image vividly repeated throughout our headspace in the same that the stormy sky had been present before, and I found it very calming and just fun.
T+2:23 - First time really thinking about how much time has passed, nearly two and a half hours after dosing, definitely not bad for a base tryptamine with no MAOI! I've really been it, it's still going for sure too but the initial wave of intensity seems to be passing somewhat. I listened to some more music, messaged some more, and finished our snack bar, until at T+2:50 when there was a lull between waves of tripping and we felt pretty much sober and functional and we decided by group vote to have us make the extremely short drive to our parents' house, which I don't recommend but we did it anyway. We felt fine and still nearly sober along the way but I can't comment on how it would be for an actually difficult drive because this one really takes no time at all and only requires neighborhood roads. The reason we wanted to go is so that we could try smoking cannabis, which we had not yet done up to this point because we didn't have any, to see what effect it had on the experience, and also to take a bath and meditate after we did so.
T+3:03 - We smoke two bowls with them before getting in the bathtub, and long before getting back there we can feel the intensity cranking back up hard. I am feeling extremely euphoric and stimulated but some others in the system are feeling anxious
I am feeling extremely euphoric and stimulated but some others in the system are feeling anxious
and there is some triggering going on by the sudden extreme release of feelings that we have and especially that I'm displaying, especially sexually. Not everyone is ready to let go into the trip that is coming on hard now so we get into the filling up bathtub hoping to calm down, but as soon as we hit the water multiple alters go into brief out-of-body experiences. Most of them are choosing not to talk about their stories currently, but we know that one involved them thinking they were in a social situation with the other alters that may be connected to our old 2C-C out-of-body experience, but another was actually Omicron's who thought she was about to be killed by a wild animal. She doesn't recall specific details of the animal, just seeing it and knowing what was about to happen and feeling all the emotions connected to it, and she was understandably shocked after it happened, as were the others with their experiences that generally seemed to be negative. The most likely culprit for this we think is the fact that our cannabis tolerance was low at the time and the amount we smoke with our parents is much more than we need or smoke on our own because their lifetime tolerance is high, we really smoked more than we should have and knew it at the time but did it anyway, but hopefully we'll learn better in the future now. But that being said, the alters who this happened to seem to think they grew or learned something as a result of their experiences too, it wasn't just wholly negative, just an extremely strong and unexpected trip-blip, so be warned! Personally, I remained in-body myself, but I could tell the others had a lot going on seeing them being wrapped in patterns in the distance in our headspace.
At first after the experiences ended people were still anxious so we focused on trying to calm down more in the tub, but after that started passing and we started discussing internally things got a bit smoother again. Again the only notes we really took mostly involved what music we were listening to, but we were tripping pretty hard again now after smoking the cannabis though in ways that are hard to remember now, it definitely had the MALT style still but a lot of it was assisted by the overly powerful reaction to the cannabis itself, and there was definitely some stuff going on I wish I had written down but I just can't bring it back now, it's too abstract. I can say though that we talked a lot with each other about how we each push things and how it affects one another and what these experiences mean to each of us and how much each of us are still on board with regularly tripping and all that, and we came out of it feeling stronger and still positive in the end. We texted a friend a bit too and continued listening to music until T+5:12 when Zeta made a note that we were starting to feel more so just stoned now even though we could still feel the MALT pretty well for what it is, and shortly after we were getting out of the tub to go try to enjoy what was left of it in a different way.
T+5:39 - When we switch or especially resist switching or have a switch slowly build up we get some inner colorful abstract imagery similarly to tripping normally, even while sober I mean, and it is much crazier than it normally is right now, the MALT is making it very, very psychedelic. It's nice to look at, and also nice because the euphoria and anesthesia from the high helps override the other symptoms of oncoming switches like headaches. Snacking a little bit passing the time waiting for our mom to leave and go take care of some errand.
T+6:03 - She's gone now and we put on the American Dad! episode Top of the Steve with our dad. Sometimes the others pop out to check things on our cellphone or talk to our dad a bit and we just sort of watch TV and chill like this for a while. We noted at T+6:33 that MALT very much feels like it comes and goes in waves that can go down to almost nothing and burst back up again in a way that reminds us a lot of mushrooms, and we currently feel like we're on an especially high up wave again despite not having smoked anything still since the first couple of bowls. Our stomach felt a little unsettled too so at T+6:52 ate two Tums or 2000 mg calcium carbonate.
T+7:33 - We ordered Chinese food for dinner and while waiting I notice that I'm still getting another flash of drifting colorful static sheets that almost look like they had edges of snakes flowing through them and I'm reminded of videos we've seen of visuals of ayahuasca, which we haven't taken ourselves (or DMT orally in any other way). At T+7:44 we smoke two more bowls with our parents and feel like we're tripping pretty hard again, though in part just from the continuing disorientation and exhaustion at this point. The food arrives at T+7:58 and it's delicious, and we finish eating at T+8:31.
T+9:29 - Still just watching TV with our parents and vegging out at this point, I make a note that the drug feels like it's finally let up somewhat more now, which is similar to about how long it took MPT orally for us to do so too, though we can still feel this dwindling a little bit.
T+9:38 - We smoke two more bowls with them again.
T+10:26 - The episode we were watching ends, and I still feel super out of it but probably more baked than tripping or psychedelically high by now, but still feel like I'm feeling it trailing out for sure though....
T+12:03 - We had some late night plans scheduled but decided not to go out because we still didn't feel good to drive even after all this time. When we took the MALT we didn't expect a freaking base tryptamine to linger for this long! Not that I'm complaining now.
T+12:26 - Parents have gone to bed and I'm smoking a bit more to myself now, and put something on TV....
T+14:48 - Still stumbling around at night, taking another bath now and smoking another bowl I brought in there, the cannabis actually still has the visions going a bit, colorful cartooning stuff when zoning out that reminds me a little bit of DMT.
T+17:33 - We're passing out and the sleep deprivation is starting to make us trip again so obviously this is just going to hang around in our brain until we get some rest, the drug has definitely largely worn off quite some time ago now, so we go to bed.
After this trip, we felt extremely satisfied and like we wouldn't really have to trip again for some time to continue that satisfaction going if we didn't want to, which is also how DOB made us feel recently, but we still ended up tripping again like a week after this anyway which is more frequent than normal for us, so make of that what you will. I personally really enjoyed this experience and got a lot out of it but obviously it was very intense and at times dark for some of us so it's not all sunshine and rainbows. The next time we take it will be more than 50 mg because we would like to try to get a fuller effect out of it still, but we will definitely have to be careful to treat it with respect and closely monitor set and setting and cannabis intake if we use it at all, because this one clearly has the potential to get very intense very quickly. Still, it was a learning experience in more than one way, both individually for many of us and as a whole such as helping us further understand the differences between what each of us alters in the system experiences when we take psychedelic drugs, like for instance if one of us gets a certain type of hallucination that the others don't see even though we normally see the same sensory information, since that's how these out-of-body experiences seem to work. But that's a complex topic for another time and place.
As I said earlier, it seems like we are pretty sensitive to the effects of base tryptamines compared to a lot of people, so I would expect that many others may need more than 50 mg of MALT orally to experience these same kinds of effects as we have. However, I'm sure there are others out there who are similarly sensitive to us, and the effects of this drug can be very powerful, so please be careful and stay safe if you try it yourself! It can be very worthwhile and fascinating but you wouldn't want to overdo it in a bad situation. I really wouldn't recommend starting very high until you know your own sensitivity, honestly 50 mg may be fine for most even just as a taster, but I'm just hesitant to recommend anything higher than I've taken yet too.
That's it for now, until next time!
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