Challenging Foxy Orthodoxy
Citation: Kaleida. "Challenging Foxy Orthodoxy: An Experience with 5-MeO-DiPT (exp115045)". Erowid.org. Jan 10, 2021. erowid.org/exp/115045
||5 mg||smoked||5-MeO-DiPT||(powder / crystals)|
This was our second experience with 5-MeO-DiPT, and our first time smoking it. Our first time was 10 mg orally, which I greatly enjoyed; we concluded in the end that it seemed like there was a fairly even split in our alters who preferred 5-MeO-DiPT to 5-MeO-MiPT and vice-versa, myself being in the former group, and the comparison being part of why we were so interested to try it in the first place. We notably felt that there were significant similarities at the time between 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DiPT that dwarfed those that either had to 5-MeO-EiPT also by oral administration, the only way we had used any of them at the time, though all three clearly shared some varying similarities with one another. In the time since that first 5-MeO-DiPT experience, we have now also smoked 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-EiPT in dosages including 5 and 10 mg for both and also 15 mg for the latter and had received very promising effects from both, yet we had still not attempted to use 5-MeO-DiPT by this route of administration, and we sought to rectify that situation with this first smoking attempt at 5 mg.
Our previous experience with psychedelics included DMT, MET, MPT, EPT, DPT, MiPT, DiPT, MALT, DALT, Psilocybe cubensis, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-DET, 4-HO-MPT, 4-HO-EPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-McPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-MET, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-MALT, 4-AcO-DALT, 5-HO-DMT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-EiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DALT, 5-Cl-AMT, Ipomoea tricolor, Argyreia nervosa, LSD, ETH-LAD, AL-LAD, 1P-LSD, 2C-C, 2C-B, 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-P, DOF, DOC, DOB, TMA-2, 4C-D, BOD, Myristica fragrans, and MDMA. Our most recent trip was on 10 mg of 5-Cl-AMT orally five days before this, and before that was two days earlier smoking 5 mg of 5-MeO-MiPT in the morning, neither of which we anticipated still having much psychedelic tolerance from at this point.
An important contextual note is that it's been a little over a month and a half now since the end of a phase we went through of frequently smoking many different tryptamines, mostly synthetic, up to a few times a week, over a two month period, essentially ending consequently to smoking the aforementioned 15 mg of 5-MeO-EiPT and having an extremely powerful and destabilizing experience that left us still in a heavy altered state for at least several days after dosing and took more than a few weeks to start feeling basically sober again, and has still taken and continues to take longer than that to more completely integrate back from into our regular life. We haven't tripped much yet since then and not in very high dosages of things when we have, but we have already noticed that, as we had expected coming out of that experience, when we do trip it currently seems quite easy to get back to or approach a place similar to where we were during that experience, the standard experience of the rabbit hole going ever deeper and us currently being a particularly sensitized state due to still having relatively recently come out of an unusually powerful trip. On top of that, we and I (Theta) in particular do seem to be somewhat sensitive to getting psychedelic effects from 5-methoxytryptamines compared to the average user too at least based on what we can determine from discussing it with and hearing or reading the anecdotes of others, so this is all to say, it seems plausible that my reaction right now or in general to substances like 5-MeO-DiPT such as I intend to describe here may be significantly more intense than the average person would have from using such a substance in such a way at such a dosage, but nonetheless, it's the experience I (and we) had and it was induced specifically by 5-MeO-DiPT, so I will assume for now that it is not outside the realm of possibility for others to experience similar things to myself here and in these kinds of cases too under the right circumstances and share my own experience as I usually would hoping that it will provide some insight for others, and if not, then at least some entertainment.
We woke up in the early morning, prepared our bowl of cannabis with the approximately 5 mg of 5-MeO-DiPT laced into it, poorly I might add but I think we did well enough with it, and prepared to spend the experience still rolling around in bed listening to music. We did not attempt to note the time or take notes for most of the experience as it was happening, so this trip will not contain time stamps the way most often include in these reports, but the part of the experience where things were still significantly changing didn't last very long overall. We smoked the laced bowl quickly over several hits with Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" starting to play, and then we get comfortable under the covers lying down in a meditative position with our eyes closed.
The first thing that I can recall happening was suddenly faintly but clearly seeing a design that looked sort of like a spider web lattice of straight, glowing white lines connecting various dots that I instinctively interpreted as different conscious entities connected by the lattice threads, for which I felt a term like "web of souls" might poetically fit though I wouldn't generally describe it quite like that, and when I acknowledged them internally, they acknowledged me in return. I remember this seemed intriguingly stable for a while, but I don't know how long it actually lasted and it probably wasn't long. At the time I felt very calm and was thinking about how noticeably smooth and easygoing this entry into the state was, as the 5 mg of 5-MeO-MiPT smoked the week prior had had a very emotionally powerful, rushing sensation sort of beginning to it, even if it was still a much more easygoing version of something similar that had been happening during the 15 mg of 5-MeO-EiPT experience.
As the state began to further develop, the faint visuals I was seeing still mostly internally and not too opaquely began to focus on myself, showing a body that I felt instinctively to be my own though the colors were muted to a grey-barely purple spectrum with mostly red auras, and my hair flipped up and began transforming into several snake-like reptile forms in a Medusa-like fashion, all slithering around with their own life and snapping at the surrounding environment. This was similar to some of the "demonic" imagery that occurred frequently for me during that powerful 5-MeO-EiPT experience, but this experience felt very playful and positive by comparison, and I watched amused as my snake hair grew and their bodies expanded further away from me in the out-of-body space I perceived around us, being delighted by the colors they left as even though their auras were mostly red, they were still quite a full spectrum in the lesser, more diversely colorful parts. The creatures that seemed more snake-like at first even began to resemble something closer to the typical Chinese-style design of dragons as they moved around, which also reminded me of a lower dosage smoked 5-MeO-EiPT experience we had, and in general the feeling I had at this point of the experience was that it did feel a lot like 5-MeO-EiPT so far, but with less of a classical psychedelic feeling, not limited to but including what would normally make the experience more emotionally challenging like the 5-MeO-EiPT was, but at the same time perhaps an even stronger and maybe more hallucinogenically developed, but still pretty similar dissociative feeling, and I was really enjoying the opportunity to dip back into a state that was superficially similar to that recently experienced one that had been so challenging but in a much more welcoming way instead.
At some point during all this the hallucinogenic style began to shift again, and my feeling is that it happened primarily in tandem with us starting to feel more of the physically euphoric effects of the experience, which comparable to oral dosing I did feel meaningfully exceeded that of both 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-EiPT. I began to see simplistic internal kaleidoscopic imagery of mostly the shading outlines of an indeterminate sexy man, in a way that also reminded me of something from the 5-MeO-EiPT experience but less threatening, but it did feel like they were approaching me on some level, but more instinctively than consciously because it wasn't that developed of a hallucination. Not long after this, I began to perceive the inner form the other alters see me as jumping towards a specific male alter, and though it was a transparent vision and felt somewhat third-person in that way, it also felt like I was perceiving it and controlling it instinctively from a first-person perspective. I just towards him and absorbed into him, and felt myself flowing throughout his body and merging with his spirit, seeing copies of this image of myself lined up in a repeating grid line formation releasing ecstatic poses through the merging process which accompanied the increasing feelings of the drug's euphoria. I recall the imagery started to go a little bit in a cosmic direction here where our bodies started becoming planets and there were stars around us, and that and all this actually reminds me a lot of imagery I've seen when we've smoked MET and MPT too, but this phase began to pass after this point.
Though we were somewhat too lost in the state to being that much attention, music was still playing and we were sometimes picking what would come on next from the YouTube related songs list, and next I entered a phase, one which I can relate somewhat to many psychedelics but particularly more directly to MiPT and 2C-C in my experience so far more than anything, where the music done by artists or with music videos I'm familiar with will begin to heavily construct the internal hallucinogenic experience, specifically in such a way that it's like a dream that is half a music video and half transforming psychedelic architecture, and I the "dreamer" am represented usually by the artist but sometimes by other people in the same scene as the artist, who I see and feel myself as, either singing and dancing along to the music or doing whatever else my identity in that scene is doing. Again, like the whole trip before and after it, this phase was incompletely opaque and I could still simultaneously feel us lying in bed, but the sensations were still quite vivid even at this level which we knew would be lighter going into it, and notably once again, many of the more blatantly psychedelic aspects of the internal imagery that was being generated around my internal perspective within it were similar to things I had seen during the heavy 5-MeO-EiPT experience, but were experienced in a way that I either found much less disturbing in the moment as it was happening or which were even profoundly positive.
For example, "Hallucinate" by Dua Lipa came on and I was fittingly hallucinating, though oddly the imagery I saw was actually more so matching to the music video for her song "Break My Heart" instead, and I was seeing and feeling it from her perspective and it was pretty normal within the first moments of it, but as it developed the physics of the internal world began to malfunction in some strange ways, and suddenly it seemed like (from her perspective) there were demonic entities surrounding me/her, and similar to what they would do to the inhabitants of the torturous "hellscapes" as we called them that from the 5-MeO-EiPT experience, they grabbed my/her body and pulled it in such a way that stretched and twisted it far up in a horribly disfigured way like they were painfully turning me/her into a Slinky, but the whole thing didn't bother me in the slightest and I just found it amusing as I kept internally grooving to the music, and as I did the background of the internal world began to transform into kaleidoscopic imagery of Dua Lipa's singing face as the vision pulled further away and ended. Another song that came on was "Dissolve" by Absofacto, which has a music video where the artist is in a pool surrounded by several synchronized swimmers, and when my internal space changed to match the setting of the music video, I flashed back to a phenomenon from the 5-MeO-EiPT where internal entities I interacted with would painfully break apart into multiple bodies simultaneously of a specific identity they would then go into an out-of-body experience as, internally screaming in pain as they did, but in this case I felt myself crack apart into all the different bodies of the synchronized swimmers simultaneously in a very peaceful and euphoric way, and for as long as the song played and the hallucinated music video was sustained in my internal space, I was able to control all of their bodies at the time and separately, getting better with practice, doing things like getting used to feeling every body sing the song at once, as the feeling was that vivid even though it was still only partially overlapping our normal perception of physical reality.
This phase was fun, but as the songs passed the experience continued to transform and we became less engaged in the music again and more lost in the inner sensations specifically, which continued to grow in intensity. I don't actually recall how the transition to this took place anymore, but at some point, I recall that in my inner vision I died and my body was rapidly used by some other lifeform, I don't recall how now, either I was eaten or decayed and eaten by bacteria or fertilized a plant or something, and the reason I don't recall exactly is because as this happened I was gone and my consciousness was transferred into the lifeform that has in some way absorbed me, and as quickly as my previous self has been destroyed this next one was destroyed and absorbed by something else in another one of those ways, and I continued to rapidly cycle through multiple other lifeforms, including another human at some point, I vaguely recall him being a grown man with a beard who of course still died shortly afterwards and was absorbed by something else, and as all of this was happening I actually still also had a tactile sensation sort of like I was "tumbling" through all of these transformations that I was still, albeit faintly, actually feeling happen to my body too. The sensation was again notably similar to one I had experienced repeatedly during the 15 mg of 5-MeO-EiPT experience, except in that experience it kept feeling like I was transforming into either my imagination or some sort of representation of our inner universe, where I could actually feel myself becoming the internal environment including the architecture as well as the entities living in it including all of the physiological goings-on inside each of their bodies, whereas the theme of this experience on the 5-MeO-DiPT obviously focused on a different sort of transpersonal stereotype, but importantly the feelings of transformation and progressive loss of self into the expansive experience were directly comparable, and as my experience of rapidly traveling through the various cycles of life dying to sustain other life on Earth progressed, it did indeed reach a point where it felt like I was becoming less a specific living thing on Earth and more life on Earth in general, moving on the standard experience of seeing a vision of the planet which then pulls further back out in the cosmos, though I believe it popped shortly after that without progressing any further beyond that point for this particular experience.
Perhaps the above is actually what led into this next part, but I can't actually recall that clearly now; what I do recall is that I entered a period of greater ego loss comparable to the state I was in for an extremely prolonged time following or smoking of the 15 mg of 5-MeO-EiPT, where I was losing track of my internal identity and beginning to see some visionary effects that I recognize as salvia-like personally, but the effect was still very subdued in comparison to that experience, and I was able to recognize it for what it is, and we all together worked through it quite rapidly and efficiently. It helped me to piece together some perspective I had still been attempting to more fully integrate from the 5-MeO-EiPT experience as well, and I came out of that phase feeling like I do now understand what happens to me in that state a lot better now and know how to better react to and handle it in the future as I did here, and it made me very optimistic for our future experimentations with these molecules as well as with other powerful psychedelics in general, even more so than I already normally felt of course. The other alters and I did our usual mantra internally to symbolize the bonding experience we had had, and I around this time I was writing at least a bit about the experience down in retrospect for later reference, and I noted that I was again getting faint kaleidoscopes of the sexy man from nearer to the beginning of this experience, and felt at that time that it might be symbolic of the peak of the experience starting to drop back down somewhat on the other side now, which I would say now it essentially seemed to be doing by about then, though there was still some time to go before it totally leveled out again.
Somewhere between an hour and ten to an hour and twenty minutes I think we got out of bed and decided to have a bowl of cereal, feeling incredibly hungry by then from the cannabis which we also smoked more of as we just kept piling more on the cashed bowl while lying in bed, and by somewhere around an hour and forty-five minutes in were getting in a nice, hot shower. It felt great as usual and as expected, and afterwards we also masturbated to an incredibly potentiated orgasm, honestly not the most notable one ever (which mainly seems worth noting given 5-MeO-DiPT's reputation) but probably one of the nicest I've had in a while. By around three hours after dosing we were starting to just go about our normal daily routine again, and an hour later I typed up all the notes we did have by then and we didn't note anything else about the experience beyond that point. Nonetheless, as is typical for us when smoking 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-EiPT too, we did continue feeling at least somewhat high for literally the entire day after smoking the 5-MeO-DiPT, all the way up to now something like seventeen hours after dosing, but we've been smoking lots of cannabis and are up late at night now too, but still, we're definitely still feeling good, but quite tired by now. I don't recall anything particularly trippy happening after the part of the experience that has already been reported here, though.
Personally, I thought this experience seemed incredibly promising, and though I've really only reported on my own experience here, the other alters enjoyed it as well. I think 5-MeO-DiPT and 5-methoxytryptamines in general are truly fascinating, but at the same time I hesitate to recommend them to others simply because they can be so utterly powerful and are for me, I really don't think they should be taken lightly by any means, yet at the same time the responses people have to them from one person to the next seem so variable with so many getting such an easygoing response from them too that it's really hard to say anything with certainty and many seem to be perfectly fine using them a lot more carelessly even than they would with other psychedelics, not that I would ever recommend using any psychedelic carelessly. What I will say is, for us and especially for me, 5-methoxytryptamines are incredibly powerful, seemingly especially when smoked too, to the point that I increasingly consider them to be essentially the strongest tryptamines and psychedelics in general at least for myself, so, at the very least, if you do decide to try to push deeper into these molecules yourself in the way we are, please be cautious, go slow and pay attention to the signs your body and mind are sending you, but if you do and you are patient and willing to work with them, you may find, like I have, that they have far more to offer you than you might have previously imagined, for better or worse, but I'm doing pretty well so far despite fearing for my sanity a month and a half ago.
Thus concludes our first experience with smoking 5-MeO-DiPT, but it certainly won't be our last.
|Exp Year: 2020||ExpID: 115045|
|Age at time of experience: 29|
|Published: Jan 10, 2021||Views: 3,395|
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