Citation: TiHKALmonster. "Moxims of an Empassioned Tryptaman: An Experience with 5-MeO-MiPT (exp115372)". Erowid.org. Apr 21, 2021. erowid.org/exp/115372
Set: Positive, excited outlook. Iíve been hearing about this compound for years and am very excited to get a sense of its character in this first foray into the 5-sub tryptamines. I donít have a specific goal or focus for this trip as I often do, but I feel fairly confident in my motives of exploration and documentation, and there is no clear reason not to experience this tonight. I have eaten a small veggie-based meal about 4 hours prior but I now have a mostly empty stomach.
Setting: My basement apartment, alone, but with friends on speed dial to come if I need any assistance. I have such wonderful friends 😊
I made a volumetric solution by dissolving 40 mg of the white tacky freebase 5-MeO-MiPT (Moxy) in 20 mL of anhydrous ethanol, which went into solution with a minute or two of swirling. 2.5 mL was measured out with an oral syringe into a glass of water, which was drunk, holding each mouthful of the liquid in my mouth for around 20 seconds.
T-0:10 (+-) I am sensing a slight baseline change from sober. My basement is cold so while I wait for the heat to kick in, I put on a sweater which felt particularly soft and cozy.
T-0:20 Iím definitely feeling the comeup. My eyes are tingly and my body feels much warmer. On second thought, maybe thatís the sweaterÖ I guess my room is finally heating up. The late-spring snow out the window looks positively magical, and I find my mood unconsciously lifting minute by minute.
T-0:30 I am definitely rolling at a (+). Bruxism is present, but not significant yet. Iím surprised with how quickly this is coming on.
I am starting to get a headache and my stomach is very mildly upset. Taking an ibuprofen and drinking water to attempt to mitigate both.
T-1:00 Iím now at a definite (++). Iím not sure if the effects are still climbing or not - still no apparent visuals, although my vision feels affected similarly to how it does with MDMA. The vasoconstriction is beginning to set in, and my legs feel a little stiff. A few minutes of calisthenics and some magnesium was prescribed and performed.
T-2:30 An old friend (Toby) stopped by to keep me company, which has shown me just how talkative Iíve become. Iím still feeling more of a roll than anything, although I definitely sense subtle visual flickering that hints of tryptamine. Overall this feels very similar to MDA in character, perhaps 70 mg or so. I am very able-minded and bodied still. I had some very interesting conversation with Toby about metabolomics and receptor binding, and managed a walk to the gas station without difficulty.
An interesting phenomenon Iíve noticed with empathogens is that musical ability is enhanced to a degree I havenít observed even for hardcore stimulants such as amphetamine or 3-FMA. Speed and focus tends to be the most obvious enhancements, with finger dexterity being noticeably improved. To test this effect with Moxy I started by breaking out the mandolin at the 2:30 mark. I found that the psychedelic nature of the experience muddled my mind a bit and made it more difficult to focus on playing. However once I was warmed up and Ďin the zoneí, my picking was probably 10 BPM faster than I can generally get to while sober. I played along to some classic rock and got lost in the music for probably half an hour. Loads of fun. I then picked up the violin and had an enormously fun time experimenting with different sounds, enjoying the clarity of the sounds my ears were picking up. I would have to say that with such a precision-based instrument in which correct pitch is dictated by millimeter-spaced increments, my level of ability had dropped overall. For fretted fingerboards this inarticulation was not noticeable, and so the music overall benefited more than it suffered. This would be an excellent compound for a night-long basement jam, I am sure.
T-3:00 After some consideration of my motives, I decide to redose 2.5 mg of the compound, as I have no intention of falling asleep within the next few hours, and I want to explore the deeper side of this compound. When the ethanol solution was squirted into water, I can see the Moxy precipitate as the polarity increases, and tiny effervescent oil droplets disperse through the glass. I drink the mild bitter brew quickly to avoid the droplets migrating to the glass.
T-3:30 Iím beginning to feel the redose kick in Ė a slight pain at the base of my skull urges me to drink more water, and I willingly oblige. I donít feel particularly uncomfortable, but thereís some stimulation and GI discomfort which Iíve come to associate with tryptamines, along with mild to moderate vasoconstriction in my legs. Stretching seems to help, but I still feel tight. Overall Iím still having a wonderful time. Toby has left, and I am once again left to my own thoughts. I retire to my room to explore my thoughts and body a bit more deeply. Meditation feels very pleasant, but itís almost impossible to focus for longer than half a minute, and my attention quickly drifts to errant thoughts and away from the breath. I pick up Tom Robbinís Even Cowgirls get the Blues and read through a chapter. The MiPT seems to give me more compassion for Robbins and understanding of his writing style, as Iíve previously been approaching this book with some reservations about the writing style and portrayal of women. The book is unendingly witty, with a snappy, whimsical way of jumping back and forth between topics. Although I am able to stay on top of the subtext of the story, my mind is slower at bridging disparate topics, and I can imagine at much higher a dose (7.5 mg) I would have a very hard time following a complex storyline.
T-5:00 Iíve just spent a solid 2 hours deep cleaning the house, as my roommate left yesterday and I wanted to start anew in my organization of the space. The headphones have been blasting ear-tickling tunes from the likes of KOAN Sound and Ekcle, and house chores have overall been very enjoyable. Iím still very much in the world of Moxy, but I feel content to settle down and let the evening run its course. I decide to pick up the grinder and pack myself a bowl of CBD & THC bud. The weed synergizes well with the Moxy, and I find myself in a very dreamy and comforting headspace. I realize that much of the discomfort I feel is probably because I havenít eaten food in so many hours, so I grudgingly suck down an orange and banana, along with a glass of milk. The Moxy does not appreciate sustenance, and I feel like I am fighting a losing battle. The weed definitely makes the experience a bit more manageable.
While my body feels much improved 10 min after eating the fruit, there are elements of uncomfortable stimulation; probably because of extended focus on task-based activity. I lay down in bed with the computer and browse through my movie selection for the night. I donít particularly feel like anything too deep or heavy, so I settle on a lighthearted animated comedy, and settle in to bear through the comedown.
T-7:00 My lord, how time does fly. Itís now been almost exactly 7 hours since my initial drop, and Iíve been staring at the computer screen for far too long. Story of my lifeÖ I definitely feel tired and perhaps sleepy, thanks to the cannabis. Iíve decided Iím going to attempt to end this day, so Iím closing up the electronics and hitting the sack.
Next Day: I was able to fall asleep at T-7:00 without difficulty, although I can imagine with no other chemical assistance there might be some residual stimulation for another hour or so. Overall I was very impressed with this compound. Iíve never experienced a tryptamine with as much empathogenic character as Moxy, and I must say I like the combination of effects. The side effects, especially vasoconstriction and dullness from the 5-HT2a agonism, made this less a purely-fun experience like I would more expect with an MDA derivative, but the complexity of the experience gave it a deeper, more interesting feel in my mind. I revise my previous estimate to say that the 7.5 mg of Moxy felt equivalent to ~60 mg MDA with a dash of perhaps 10 mg mipracetin (4-AcO-MiPT) added in at the 1:30 mark. The fact that I was able to have this level of experience with less than 10 mg of the stuff blows my mind Ė I will be sitting on this bag of freebase for decades to come.
One thing Iíd like to mention is that I definitely noticed enough serotonin-release to warrant exercising the 2 month rule for MDMA. Though the neurotoxic metabolites of MDMA are not produced through breakdown of Moxy, I still think it would be very possible to damage your serotonergic system through repeated SERT flood if this compound was taken on a weekly basis or so. I havenít read much discussion of this online, so Iím worried that people imagine ďitís a tryptamine, it must be safe to use frequentlyĒ, which it very well could not be.
As far as ideal setting to use Moxy, Iíd imagine that it would be about as versatile as its amphetamine pharmacousins. In the moment and with the setting Iíd chosen, I kept coming back to ďcuddle puddle on the couch with some good friendsĒ, but I could also see this being a very good rave drug, although like other tryptamines I assume Iíd have trouble staying on my feet for an entire show without fatigue. Of course, Iíd imagine a sexual gathering would also be incredible, as you get a swirling miasma of frank, animalistic psychedelic realism with the compassion and empathy of a roll, all tied together with the long legs of a very impassioned orgy or nude cuddle sesh in bed. Exploring the sexual side of the drug last night showed that orgasms were also very much heightened, as well as perceived body image.
In summary, this was a very pleasant compound and Iím glad Iíve sequestered a large enough stash to have a comfortable store for the foreseeable future. It seems that the effects could be fairly unpredictable even at doses listed as ďLightĒ. I noticed a lot of built-up fatigue and discomfort which almost immediately subsided after eating some fruit. The supplements lists on MDMA forums (antioxidants, 5-HT, vitamins etc) will likely apply just as well to Moxy as they do to more conventional rave drugs.
A friend of subtle colored hues
And warm, impassioned light.
Oh Moxy, how your dulcet waves
Do keep me up at night.
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