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Jolts and Blood Pressure Drops
2C-C, 3-Methylmethcathinone & Cannabis
by Newbie
Citation:   Newbie. "Jolts and Blood Pressure Drops: An Experience with 2C-C, 3-Methylmethcathinone & Cannabis (exp115960)". Erowid.org. Dec 23, 2021. erowid.org/exp/115960

 
DOSE:
T+ 0:00
30 mg sublingual 2C-C (pill / tablet)
  T+ 1:30 30 mg oral 2C-C (pill / tablet)
  T+ 2:30   repeated smoked Cannabis  
  T+ 3:00 1 line insufflated 3-Methylmethcathinone (powder / crystals)

BODY WEIGHT: 71 kg


Serotonin Syndrome Warning

T+0.00 30mg 2C-C pellet oral
T+~1.30 30mg 2C-C pellet oral
T+3.00~4.00 15-30mg 3-MMC crystal insufflated
High THC Cannabis smoked with tobacco

Details might not be super accurate because I didn't really know what exactly had happened at the time and only figured it out retrospectively.

I've recently discovered the RC market after having difficulty getting streetdrugs. (Dealers like parties, parties don't like Covid)
For the past 3 months I tested, among other previously obtained street drugs (MDMA, Cocaine) and daily cannabis: 3-MMC, 2-FDCK, 2-FMA, 2C-C, Etizolam, Flualprazolam & DMC. I started experimenting with a single substance 1-2 days in a row. Once I got more comfortable with the RC's and was assured they wouldn't kill me, it slowly became multiple substances for 2-3 days in a row on weekends. Dosages were always common to strong according to Psychonautwiki. In all probability, this number of experiments in such a short timespan has left me with various tolerances, a slight to moderate depletion of neurotransmitters and will most definitely have negatively impacted the outcome.

As previously mentioned, the following report is written retrospectively and is therefore inaccurate. Also, the outcome of this trip dominated the entire experience, making it harder to remember the details correctly.

T+0.00
I started with an allergy-test, performed by cutting a small piece of the pellet and administered sublingually. After about 15min. of no reaction I swallowed the rest of the pellet. After about half an hour I felt the come-up and another 20min. Later I felt it had peaked. 2C-C is the first phenethylamine I've ever used so I do remember this part well, being a new experience.

I felt wonderful and a strange but very pleasant warmth radiating throughout my entire body without an actual increase in body temperature. The feeling is not unlike that of MDMA, but more gentle and less forced. I wasn't having any visuals which is why I wanted to try the 2C-C in the first place. So after about 1.5 hours I decided to swallow another 30mg pellet.

T+~1.30
I can't remember how long it took for the 2nd pellet to hit, but I do remember it being very gradual. The pleasant all encompassing warmth grew more intense and a noticable increase in tactile enhancement occurred. (Blanket turned in the softest blanket in the whole universe, getting tickled by my own clothes etc.). It slowly intensified to a point that my body felt like it had transformed itself into jello in an extremely pleasant way.

After what I believe to be an hour I also started to notice some slight visual distortion. The distortions probably started sooner but I was way too invested in my blanket to notice. The visuals were very mild, just some slight shifting, breathing and morphing on especially brightly lit objects and lights. The rest of the room stayed in place, unaltered, no hallucination noted of any kind. Small notice of a slight hint of confusion. It took just a split second longer to figure out what objects are named and such. Similar to a mild dose of MDMA.

During a pee break, I noticed morphing of my face in the mirror and for some reason that was the strongest visual effect at at least twice the intensity of all the other effects. Like 5 different faces inside your own face per second.

Up until this moment (estimated about 2.5 hours in) I was just sitting on the couch with the TV on and decided to sit behind the PC. Play some music and some visuals on youtube and rolled a joint to see if it would enhance the effects. It definitely did.
After trying some different combinations, I found that Psy-trance with colorful slow moving geometry and tunnels worked best. The joint also hit about 2-3 times harder than it usually does. Being a daily smoker for 17 years that came as a pleasant surprise.

Details of the further experience become a bit overshadowed by what happened after taking the 3-MMC. I mostly remember thoroughly enjoying the experience with a last notice of some mild, colourless CEV's that seem to be triggered by the shifting light of the monitor shining through my eyelids. The CEV's would stop after a while of not sitting in front of the monitor.

At some point I wanted to test if 2C-C could be used erotically and decided to watch some porn. There was a definite increase in libido and no erectile dysfunction of any kind. So yes, viable as sexual enhancer. During this last experiment I felt the come-down creep up and although it wasn't unpleasant, I simply wasn't finished (pun intended). To try and intensify the 2C-C, I decided to roll another joint (not the 2nd but I can't remember how many I ended up smoking that night. Probably 3-5) and take some 3-MMC.

T+~3.00-4.00
I decide for a small dose of 3-MMC as it causes erectile dysfunction quite consistently, and this decision saved me at least a trip to the hospital or maybe worse. As it was my very first RC and having consumed somewhere between 1-1.5g of the same batch in the past 3 months, I eyeballed a small line without paying much attention and insufflated it. I estimate the dose to have been about 20-50mg. While slightly embarrassing but also truthful plus the extra stimulation might have contributed to the fact, I got on with it in hope of finishing my masturbating session.

After approximately 10min. of taking the 3-MMC, things started going really bad really fast. My blood pressure dropped instantly to an alarmingly low level. One moment al was good, happy feelings and the next it felt like my heart had simply fallen out of my chest. It wasn't there anymore, couldn't feel it with my hand tightly pressed on my chest, didn't feel a pulse on my wrist or throat. I jumped out of my chair in extreme panic which caused a further drop in blood pressure causing electrical jolts in my brain and cold tingling sensations in arm and legs and a general unnerving feeling of "I'm going to die". After what felt like an hour but was probably closer to 10sec. I could feel a heartbeat again but I was in a severe state of panic and very paranoid about dying.

It was impossible to relax or move my train of thoughts and was constantly monitoring my heart rate and putting my hand on my chest to make sure I wasn't dead already. After about a week (probably closer to 5min. In real time) blood pressure started going up again but I still wasn't able to relax. I monitored the shit out of my heart so intensely that I forgot to breath regularly which caused an uneven heartbeat, adding to the panic.

After another weekn(still, probably closer to 5min.) blood pressure dropped again. My brain started feeling fuzzy, I started to lose feeling in my hands and feet and my panic rose even more. At this point I started frantically looking for my phone to dial the alarm number but by the time I found it blood pressure was back up again.

I was incapacitated by the experience and didn't know what to do so I decided to look up the symptoms I was experiencing on the internet. Yes I know, I was an idiot... Heart attack, cerebral infarction, seizures, all useless information that only spiked my panic even more. After some 2 months (or maybe just an hour, couldn't tell) and many blood pressure drops later I slowly regained my ability to think clearly, and started pacing trough my apartment.

I started to put things in perspective and thought about what was happening to me and if I should call an ambulance. Thinking about it, the blood pressure drops and jolts in my brain were gradually becoming less intense and less frequent. So I probably wasn't dying and that must also mean that I didn't already die. I could think and speak coherently and at full speed, I had full motor control, no pain anywhere so there was probably nothing that needed immediate medical attention. That calmed me down some more. Also the pacing really helped a lot.

I decide not to call an ambulance because even if I did, they couldn't help me anyway. I would just end up on a heart monitor in a hospital bed riding it out, and end up with a hefty hospital bill. As long as the symptoms keep fading gradually and I don't notice any new symptoms I would stay at home. So I kept pacing up and down my apartment holding my phone in my hand with the alarm number pre-dialled.

Waves of blood pressure drops kept coming paired with tingling, coldness and numbness sensations in arms and legs and of course a fresh wave of sheer panic. I can't tell how many there were or with what frequency they came. The panic attacks that came with it severely diluted my perception of time and I didn't think to time it. I just continued pacing.

T+???
I must have done a few hundred laps of my apartment at least. The attacks were still there but it resided to more 'normal' blood pressure drops like if you stand up too fast. No more tingling sensations or numbness of the limbs and the panic attacks were manageble.

Just when I was thinking I had the worst of it I started to notice a new symptom: fatigue. All this time I've been hyped-up by the panic attacks and when that subsided I felt a heavy fatigue settling in that was rolling in like a freight train. It didn't feel like normal fatigue, it felt weird and had a strange eerie quality to it. It was like a combination of blacking-out with normal heavy sleepiness. Like normally when you feel you're about to black-out, you panic. But because it also felt like normal sleepiness there was no panic or even slight worrying. Which sounded to me like I was giving up and started dying al over again and I had to stay awake no matter what.

I started again compulsively checking my heart rate and blood pressure, which were a bit on the low side, and measuring my temperature (I brought in the big guns: a thermometer) which was also a bit low and I started to panic heavily again. But the panicking didn't cause my heart rate to go up like it should or speed up my thoughts, which only added more fuel to the panic attack. The growing fatigue in addition of the sheer panic I was experiencing completely incapacitated me. I was stuck, completely frozen, both mentally and physically. Unable to form even a single coherent thought.

I have no recollection of any kind about what happened next

T+???
I woke up the next day not feeling too great. My bed was a mess and very sweaty, I was tired and a felt very lethargic. When the events from last night started to come back, it immediately brought a flash of panic followed by what I believed to be another blood pressure drop. The lethargy and tiredness were gone in 2 days but the panic attacks with sometimes an electric jolt or blood pressure drop persisted for at least 9 days.

Looking back the jolts and blood pressure drops afterwards were probably not real, but rather flashbacks that came with the panic attacks. I've experienced anxiety before in my life but never so strong that I actually started to belief and feel it's all real. All of this had a very negative effect on my state of mind as I was becoming obsessed with my heartbeat and breathing and started to believe that everything I do or consume could cause me to immediately start dying again. It sunk me in a depression and made me feel like I was genuinely losing it. After 9 days it passed mostly and then it took about a week and a half to forget and deal with the trauma it had created.

After a few weeks of doing some research and talking to a doctor I was able to put the pieces together. It took me while to come to serotonin syndrome simply because 2C-C is not known to be very serotonergic. It might be because my brain was not well stocked before the experiment, but it probably has higher than expected serotonergic properties if a combination with only small doses of 2C-C and 3-MMC can cause serotonin syndrome.

I can't even imagine what would have happened if I'd taken my normal dose of 150-200mg 3-MMC.

Exp Year: 2021ExpID: 115960
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 33 
Published: Dec 23, 2021Views: 393
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