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Fast, Euphoric, Whirlwind
25B-NBOH & Ketamine
by Lone
Citation:   Lone. "Fast, Euphoric, Whirlwind: An Experience with 25B-NBOH & Ketamine (exp116395)". Erowid.org. Jun 14, 2022. erowid.org/exp/116395

 
DOSE:
T+ 0:00
3 mg sublingual 25B-NBOH  
  T+ 1:55 1 mg oral Etizolam  
  T+ 5:00 150 mg   Ketamine  
  T+ 8:00 1 mg oral Etizolam  
  T+ 0:00   repeated smoked Cannabis  
  T+ 0:00   repeated oral Alcohol - Beer/Wine  
  T+ 0:00 300 mg oral Pharms - Bupropion (daily)
  T+ 0:00 4 - 6 g oral Kratom (daily)

BODY WEIGHT: 180 lb


25B-NBOH & Ketamine Trip Report

Medications: 300mg XL Bupropion; 4-6 grams of kratom dosed daily upon waking
ROA: Sublingual

Previous experience: 16 psychedelics; 17 dissociatives; DMT Breakthroughs; Lots of combinations; The only phenethylamineís I have tried so far have been 2C-B and 2C-D. I consider myself moderately experienced. Obviously, I am more experienced than most, but I know there is more to explore and room for me to go deeper.

Setting and setting
At home with the house to myself. Itís a beautiful day and Iím in a great mood. I am very bored, and I wish I could hang out with a friend. I decide to trip kind of on a whim. I was planning on taking 2C-E for the first time sometime this week, but it is 7pm and I know the duration is much longer for that than 25B-NBOH (which I have also been curious about for a long time). I am already properly stoned as well.

I should mention that I just started Bupropion for depression. Every psychedelic trip I have had for the past 5 years always resulted in catharsis and lots of crying. I was drawn to psychedelics because they have allowed me to access emotions and feelings that I have never been able to reliably access sober.
I was drawn to psychedelics because they have allowed me to access emotions and feelings that I have never been able to reliably access sober.
However, most of the time I was never rushing or waiting for the next time to trip. These experiences were never what I would call fun or happy. They were profound, important, and healing which is why I continued to use them.

I am at almost exactly 6 weeks on 300mg Bupropion. That is almost exactly the time frame needed for the half-life to stabilize. I canít say too much on this yet, but I believe that Bupropion did play a significant part in the joyous and euphoric effects that I experienced during my trip.

These tabs are very old. I kind of assumed (I shouldnít have, this was dumb), that they would have lost a good bit of potency, so I wasnít too hesitant to take 3mg. In hindsight, this was not the wisest decision, and it is not one of my proudest moments when I preach harm reduction and responsible drug use.

The following half of this report is my, mostly, unedited notes I took during:

00:00 (7:20pm): 3mg under tongue
00:20: Already feeling effects at 740. Metallic taste. Not pleasant but not as bad as I thought it would be. Realize I have never taken a 25x-NBOx before because I have never had bitter tabs like this.

00:23: Coming up quickly at 743

The following notes occurred between 00:25 (745pm) and 01:40 (9pm):
Hungry. Should have eaten more beforehand maybe. Unsure what to do with myself. Really euphoric. Itís got that mind melting feeling I get on 2C-B. Go inside. Upstairs. Hard to really think about much. Hot and cold flashes. Unbelievable orgasms holy shit. So erotic. Has a strange strobing effect I havenít felt on anything else before. Hot and cold still.

01:40: 9pm still peaking
01:50: Can eat mac and cheese and feel much better once I do

01:55: Peak is over, I think. Visuals were intense +++ for a while. Now itís very manageable. Some annoying body temperature regulation issues that Iím not a fan of. 1mg Etiz at 930pm just to hopefully help with jaw clenching and a slight headache thatís building. Quick and intense trip. It left just as fast as it came. Some really immersive visuals at the peak. Beautiful CEV. I didnít notice OEV but I never really do or pay attention to them because thatís not what I am most interested in.

04:00-06:00 (?) (not sure exactly): Did 150mg ketamine. Love it. I want more but I donít want to use too much. It's such an experience to be savored (and itís not cheap with my tolerance). Such an expensive drug but for good reason.

08:20: .5mg Etizolam at 340am

11:25: Writing this at 645am. Weed all night which didnít add much. 4-5 beers from 2am - 530am. Not tired at all. Nearly 12 hours later. Iím sure if I took Flualprazolam or something more sedating earlier it would have knocked me out. I was just having a really good night and didnít want to force it. Need to sleep though.


Thatís the end of the live notes. I slept easily once I went upstairs and turned off the lights. I woke up naturally only 4 hours later. This is unheard of for me. For the past 2 years I have been sleeping an average of 12 hours a night. Only recently has Bupropion helped with this. I felt rested and had the first true psychedelic afterglow I have experienced in my life. I do not think I am exaggerating either. I am writing this 2 days later, and I have had the 2 most productive, and just plain fun, days of the year!

Timeline

00:20: First notes
00:40: Slightly uncomfortable come-up, lots of energy, had the feeling of not knowing what to do with myself.
00:50 - 02:00: Peak
02:00 - 03:00: Plateau. Able to eat food. Headspace becomes much more clear and analytical.
03:00- 06:00: Visuals completely gone at this point. Psychedelic thoughts and realizations are had. Conversation is effortless.
06:00 - 11:00: Residual stimulation and lingering headspace. Very pleasant still. Super social

Retrospective Summary:

What a fun drug! Extremely euphoric. Inherently sexual and erotic. More so than 2C-B and that is saying something... The peak hit hard and fast. The first two hours were a whirlwind. Beautiful visuals. The peak felt like I got shot into another realm with the beautiful display of visuals. It was fast, intense, and profound. It calmed down quickly around hour 3. I spent the peak with a lot of physical stimulation. I did have a few concerns about my body temperature a few times
I did have a few concerns about my body temperature a few times
between 01:00 and 03:00. It is for this reason that I spent the duration of the peak in the bathroom and shower cooling down or enjoying warm water. Often sitting down in the shower with the water running over me.

CEV were much more prominent than OEV. Then again, I am almost always lying (in this case sitting) in the dark during peak psychedelic experiences. I am one of those lie in bed with eye mask people. Once the peak was over I was left in a nice stimulated, very talkative, headspace for the next 8 hours.

There was no rough crash or headache near the tail end of the experience like I have gotten on 2c-b every single time Iíve tried it. There was a small headache developing, but a little Etizolam, some marijuana, and a few beers kept that at bay. I would compare it most to 2C-B more than 2C-D. It has a very similar level of physical, and especially mental, euphoria. The visuals were not as colorful as 2C-B, but they were just as complex. The experience did feel a little ďfasterĒ if you know what I mean by that. I will say that subjectively 2C-B feels a little harsher on the body and mind. It usually leaves me feeling drained and weak when the peak is over. 25B kept me in a positive and enjoyable headspace.

Visually, I would love to push the dose a little higher to see just how vivid and complex the visuals can get, but I would worry about the physical side effects above 3mg. I never actually felt physically in danger or unsafe at any point, but it is a side effect I have not gotten on other psychedelics. Mentally there was no concern, the physical side effects werenít unmanageable, but I could see how they could be once the dose gets higher. For this reason, I donít see myself using more than 2-3mg in the future, and I recommend anyone reading to follow that guideline as well. I also recommend starting lower than 3mg. 1-2mg should be plenty for a first time. I am happy with the dose I chose and I do not regret it, but I can not consciously recommend anyone else follow in my footsteps.

All in all, this is a wonderful compound that I am happy to have in my arsenal. I do not see myself using this more than once or twice a year, max, due to the unknown safety concerns. I see the most potential as a drug for intimacy with a loved partner. I will be stashing away a few dozen of these for that purpose.

I feel the same way about 2C-B. I do not enjoy it for solo trips anymore because it has felt hedonistic and shallow, while leaving me in a depressed and negative mindset. I have a theory that my five 2C-B trips in the past 3 years have all felt this way because I have been clinically depressed this whole time. I always felt wonderful physical euphoria from 2C-B, but it felt unnatural to feel so good when I was so low and unhappy. It just felt hedonistic and put me in a poor headspace. 2C-B never provided the introspection I have come to adore from 4-aco-dmt, DMT, LSD, 4-ho-mipt, etc.

25B-NBOH seems less likely to cause these unwanted feelings and effects. I believe it is more likely I had an enjoyable, fun, and mentally euphoric trip because my baseline mood is completely turned upside down compared to the previous years. Time will tell.

Thanks for reading :)

Exp Year: 2022ExpID: 116395
Gender: Male 
Age at time of experience: 24 
Published: Jun 14, 2022Views: 392
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