Citation: Champ. "Overall Positive, Meaningful and Important: An Experience with 4-AcO-DMT & 2C-E (exp87478)". Erowid.org. Jun 29, 2016. erowid.org/exp/87478
Combination Not for Beginners Very Rewarding
I have been exploring the combination of 4-aco-dmt and 2c-e during the past 6 weeks, having taken it 3 times in order to figure out what is the best dosage and timing when combining these two chemicals. I initially believed that the combination would be very worthwhile because each chemical is challenging and deeply psychedelic when taken on its own. I suspected that they would complement one another by each providing what the other may somewhat lack.
Advantages: great closed and open eye visuals, emotionally opening, I can choose to examine myself and work through issues if I want, does not induce nausea like 2c-b
Disadvantages: can be a bit mindfucky if that's the mood I'm in, can feel mentally eldritch and brooding, body load can be heavy with muscle tension and headaches, I find paranoia creeps in with this one (social self-consciousness), so it may be better to take at home alone or with one partner.
Advantages: very warm with lovely sensual tryptamine body energy, lots of laughter and joy, somewhat spiritually opening
Disadvantages: nausea, drunken feeling (can be good or bad, imo), lack of coordination in the body, clumsiness, rather short-acting, time frame is a bit odd with this one--with a fast come-up to a short plateau, I find the visuals peter out too early and friends have agreed with me.
**First attempt: 13mg 2ce+25mg 4-aco-dmt
I felt that I could have taken more 2ce. At this dosage level the 4-aco clearly dominated. Timing was to take the 2ce first, wait 40 minutes then take the 4-aco-dmt. The 2ce effects were a little too wavy, fading in and out. Not a lot of mental work was done. Visuals were intensely stunning; at times my entire visual field was just pattern soup, but other times it felt like there were 2 layers of visuals happening on top of one another and I could sort of reach my mind through one layer into the other. Extremely enjoyable, no nausea or discomfort during the experience.
**Second attempt: 15 mg 2ce +20mg 4-aco-dmt
I took this dosage at a techno party with friends. Took the two chemicals at the same time, which led to nausea and an unpleasant come-up. I felt good dancing, music sounded great. Overall, I think tolerance came into play and I didn't get as far out as I would have liked. Some paranoia crept in because I was paying a lot of attention to my own emotions and mental state and wasn't that into speaking with others, even though it was a party. If the sound system had been more immersive I probably could have zoned out, danced and ruminated on my mental issues more. As it was, I felt pulled in two directions, distracted by being with acquaintances. There was a tug-of-war between my desire to be compulsively social and my desire to work on myself by dancing and thinking alone.
**Third attempt: 20mg 2ce+20mg 4-aco-dmt
Took 4-aco-dmt 20 minutes after taking the 2ce. This experience was not easy and I would classify it as completely mind-blowing. Ego remained intact, but barely. Coming up was overwhelming, visual soup, lost contact with body orientation in space and my body in general. Going to the bathroom was confusing. I was alternately hot and cold. Time moved SO SLOWLY.
Going to the bathroom was confusing. I was alternately hot and cold. Time moved SO SLOWLY.
I had spent an intense day at a conference where a lot of the speakers' presentations resonated deeply with my personal situation and some problems I have been having with my family. Fell into abusive self-analysis. Felt withdrawn from people, if I was alone I would have cocooned and cried for a while but I think it would have been a good process of grieving that I needed to go through and continue to go through. After an hour of what I would classify as dark times, trip lightened up and I was able to return to the social fold. It was difficult to negotiate the return from a dark internal core to the social. I felt that my internal world was so intense that I couldn't negotiate the inner and the outer realm, thought the darkness would bleed out from inside and infect others. Withdrew, as a result. Overall positive, meaningful and important experience. These two compounds deserve our respect.
This is a fantastic and deeply, archetypically psychedelic combination that is not recommended for naive or emotionally immature people. Any personal problems I am having will likely surface and demand attention. Could be great for mourning, meditating, examining and working through.
Can be intensely recreational with trusted friends and family. Visuals were on par with 5 hits of good acid, nothing other than stunning and overwhelming. Will cause extreme physical discoordination and I would not recommend going outside or being in any kind of uncomfortable or difficult setting.
The dosage range seemed best when there was an equal amount of 2ce+4-aco-dmt. 20 mg of each was very strong. Timing is important, it is better to space the doses out by about 30 or 40 minutes. Thus far I have always taken the 2ce first.
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