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Playing With Reality Being Cautious
Methoxetamine & Ketamine
Citation:   Lucidscience. "Playing With Reality Being Cautious: An Experience with Methoxetamine & Ketamine (exp95710)". Erowid.org. Jan 1, 2017. erowid.org/exp/95710

 
DOSE:
300 mg insufflated Ketamine (powder / crystals)
  300 mg insufflated Methoxetamine (powder / crystals)
BODY WEIGHT: 9 st
Both of these seem to be similar in that they cause feelings of elation and can make me feel enlightened.

However, I would caution against taking these substances together as they are very strong, powerful and should not be taken lightly.

My experience was at a house party, where I had the experience of coming out of the 'trip' and wanting to share this experience on the internet, in the interests of science. I believe we can learn so much about neuroscience and neurobiology as well as possibly new treatments for depression. It was because I had this feeling whilst I took it, that I am writing this now…

The 'trip' was, like most, a feeling of going on a journey into my own mind. The first stages were behind the eyelids, seeing patterns and wanting to close the eyes to see these. It gave the sensation that I was seeing the 'true' reality and that the real world is not reality (which could be dangerous, if this feeling lingers for too long). However it was enlightening and totally inspiring since that the visual experience was really powerful; the colours, if they could be captured somehow, were more intricate and detailed than anything ever seen in this world.

The next stage was like entering a tunnel, and affected the balance. There was a beam of walls, horizontally, and this could tilt horizontally or move around. This was all visible with the eyes closed. When I opened my eyes, the scene would change completely and it was possible to enter reality (or some form of reality) which it is why it was tempting to remain with eyes closed for as long as possible. This seemed to be similar to the experience on ketamine, but slightly different in that it was more elating.

Re-emerging into reality was disappointing because there was a realisation that the thoughts and feelings that had been going on were not entirely ‘real’ - or not appropriate to try to explain to others, even though there was a fantastic urge to explain the whole experience. This is similar to emerging from a dream. It is quite difficult to share with others using words. There was a sense that the ‘reality’ is not really reality – like the allegory of the cave in Plato’s Republic. Another side-effect was the effort of having to piece together reality and ‘rebuilding’ reality from fragments of awareness while emerging from the experience (which some people can find frightening).

Dangers and Problems:
I fear that these substances are addictive, not because they are physically addictive, but because the experience of elation was so amazing: in fact I have a friend who had a problem with this. Since reality seems less interesting than this experience, it can be dangerous. It gave me the sensation that the whole experience was superior to reality, as well as feelings of aggrandisement, which is why I think it can cause problems for people. Similarly, I know one person who had ketamine and used this for meditation, as the effects seemed to be similar for them. Later on they said they could recreate these feelings of elation and enlightenment without reinforcement; which seemed to be a catalyst for them to lose a grip on reality (they were sectioned). Although they felt fantastic, other people were concerned that they could not look after themselves as they lost any awareness of others’ perspectives. I think these are dangers of taking these disassociatives (mainly ketamine). The elation can be so inspiring since I lose my sense of ‘self’ so entirely that I feel totally integrated in the world around me. However, the complete loss of ‘ego’ can be a double-edged sword as it can either be frightening, or amazingly inspiring.

Exp Year: 2012ExpID: 95710
Gender: Female 
Age at time of experience: 25
Published: Jan 1, 2017Views: 2,436
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Methoxetamine (527), Ketamine (31) : Addiction & Habituation (10), Combinations (3), Large Group (10+) (19)

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