Citation: Anatoli Smorin. "Mental Soup: Love, Lentils & Positivity: An Experience with 6-APB, Alcohol & Cannabis (exp112047)". Erowid.org. Jul 17, 2018. erowid.org/exp/112047
This report is part of a seven-report collection. The collection consists of a summary report that is retrospective and generalized in nature as well as six more detailed chronicles of my experience with 6-APB [of which this is one]. If desired, please see the summary report
, where one can find links to each of the other experience reports.
All dosages were prepared on a freshly calibrated milligram [.000 g] scale. The chemical was sourced through a highly vetted chemist and this batch was tested at a > 98% purity. An NMR analysis was completed and analyzed by a third party chemist to verify the chemical was indeed 6-APB. All dosages were from the same batch of chemical. The substance was a medium-light tan color and a very fine powder.
A little background: I consider myself to be well versed in the realm of substance use. Previous experiences include opiates, stimulants and psychedelics. A fair amount of my substance usage history includes novel research chemicals often in less than common combinations.
This report was written using extensive notes as well as audio recordings taken during the experience.
Take 2: Mental Soup: Love, Lentils & Positivity
This is the second time I have used 6-APB. I have a bit of anxiety about taking a larger dose than my first go-around. I have no concerns about a serious health problem, only the worry of being overwhelmed and having a bad experience. It has been ten days since I last used this substance and in that time I have not used any other substances beyond cannabis [daily] and alcohol [five of the days]. Identical to the first trial with this chemical; I am accompanied by Kai & Gee, my partner and dog respectively. The three of us are in our home relaxing for the evening and I am the only one who will be ingesting any substances. I enjoyed a hearty breakfast including greens, eggs and bacon around 8:15 AM along with a lunch of macaroni and cheese consumed at 12:15 PM today.
T + 00:00 [4:07 PM]
I decide to stick with insufflation as my ROA for tonight’s experience. I weigh out and crush up 78 mg of 6-APB as finely as I can, then get straight to business. I decide to insufflate 25% of the line to start. Ugh, the burning inflammation in the back of my throat is even worse than I remembered. I get myself a glass of water to drink as I struggle through the rest of the material.
T + 00:09 [4:16 PM]
Still struggling through the snorting process. My nasal passage itself is not hurting much, but the back of my mouth, at the entrance of my throat, is extremely irritated. I already feel more alert and awake; eyes open wider than normal. Unsure if this is a result of the chemical on my brain or just a natural reaction to the discomfort in my throat. The smaller dosage I had tried previously resulted in discomfort only in the far back of my throat. This time however, the pain is more widespread, noticeable in my entire throat and back of my mouth. For a few moments it even spreads under my tongue and up my cheeks. The burning in general is lasting longer than with the smaller dosage.
T + 00:20 [4:27 PM]
I finally finished the insufflation. I keep telling myself to just bang it all out at once and get it over with, but it is so unenjoyable, I find myself dragging it out. I open a light beer at this time [12 fl. ounces 4.2% ABV]. It tastes great, but the cold liquid does not soothe the burn in my throat at all. A drip has developed, and I snort a small amount of water to assist with absorption.
T + 00:29 [4:36 PM]
The discomfort from insufflation is finally starting to taper down for the first time since I began.
T + 00:34 [4:41 PM]
My throat is feeling much better now. Mild discomfort and a bit of a runny right nostril are all that remain of the pain I have been complaining about to a mildly amused Kai for the last half hour. I am off baseline now. The first effects I feel are an increase in energy and alertness. The concerns I felt prior to ingestion have completely melted away. Positive thoughts seem to be brought on by the 6-APB: “I have done this material before, there won’t be any major surprises, this should be good!”
T + 00:41 [4:48 PM]
Shivers are starting to run up my spine and the hair on my arms and neck feel like they are standing on end. My arms feel chilly; extra sensitive to the air conditioner blowing air on me. This sensation is isolated to my arms. My chest [no shirt on] and legs [in shorts] feel normal at this point in time. My throat and nose feel no pain or discomfort of any kind now.
I am feeling very talkative, feeling the desire to fill silence with conversation. Any topic of conversation seems to do the trick. I’m thoroughly enjoying the interaction with Kai. Similar to a large portion of my first experience, I am sitting with Kai on the couch. Today, however, I have no interest in browsing, reading online, or watching the television. Interaction is the name of the game right now.
T + 01:08 [5:15 PM]
To avoid talking Kai’s ear off as she tries to get some studying done, I turn to music. I’m locked in; picking songs is a full time job for me right now. There doesn’t seem to be any additional emotional connection to the songs I am listening to. The “physical” music, the actual sounds, are better than normal. This was not present at all in my first experience with the lower dosage.
I am very excited at this point. To be an hour into the experience and have my current levels of effects, I’m thinking tonight is going to be wonderful. I close my eyes to check for any closed eyed visuals. Nothing specific appears, but I can almost see movement, as if shapes or patterns are moving behind a very dark curtain, trying to emerge. I give myself a few minutes with my eyelids down, even with this extended time and focus, nothing more occurs.
I have a few items I need to discuss with my father, so I decide to give him a phone call. Prior to dealing, I ask Kai to monitor the conversation a bit and alert me if I start rambling or acting out of the ordinary. The call is great - we catch up general “what have you been up to” type stuff as well as cover some of the more important and complex topics which were the original reason for the call. At no point on the call did I feel like I was too influenced by the 6-APB to act normally / reasonably.
As soon as I’m off the phone I walk from the living room to the study to check in with Kai and engage her in conversation. I am becoming more and more chatty as time goes on.
T + 02:40 [6:47 PM]
I consider myself to be at a full on “roll” now, sitting between a + and a ++ on the Shulgin Rating Scale. I’d compare the intensity of the effects to something along the lines of 100 mg of high quality MDMA. [The effects themselves are not exactly the same, but the intensity is comparable.] I’m debating boosting my dosage. I feel that I have reached the plateau and peak of the first ingestion. The desire to take the effects a little higher and to keep the effects going longer is pretty strong. I don’t feel fiendish however, and am able to execute a logical “pros vs. cons” decision process.
The desire to take the effects a little higher and to keep the effects going longer is pretty strong. I don’t feel fiendish however, and am able to execute a logical “pros vs. cons” decision process.
I don’t have any couch lock or heavy body sensations. There is some light energy flowing through me, but not to the point where I become fidgety or cannot stop dancing. I’m not experiencing the shivers or the slightly awkward hair on end sensation of earlier. Tactile sensations are vastly improved, the texture of everything I touch is exaggerated in a positive way.
I feel that the physical effects match the dosage better than my first trial during which I found the increase in tactile sensory was massively increased, but the increase in empathy left something to be desired. Now however, my increased empathy and chattiness is pretty significant and certainly enjoyable. I note that my pupils are significantly dilated at this point. They are not total saucers, but are large enough for Kai to notice. There is no jaw clenching at this point in the evening. The lack of mandible grinding is particularly noteworthy as I find this a very common habit of mine when under the influence of most stimulants.
While talking with Kai, I feel the conversation is balanced. I am not overriding the conversation or speaking at an incredibly increased rate. Kai confirms that I am making sense and not overly jazzed up
I find myself wishing that Kai were on the substance, too. I feel the desire to have sex, although talking & having company is completely fulfilling. To the contrary: I am moving my arms and legs when talking more than normal. The rushing and pulsing of energy through my arms which was occurring earlier still exists, but to a lesser extent now. In general, this feels like a “traditional roll”.
I leave Kai alone so she can work on some homework and make my way into another room to dance a bit. Dancing comes easier than it would sober but is not as enhanced as it would be for me with MDMA or other similar substances.
T + 03:02 [7:09 PM]
I finish up my second beer [4.2% ABV] and take stock of visual effects. Some slight saturation of my visual field is the only discernible effect with my eyes open. With my eyes closed there is only blank blackness. I wonder if perhaps I am looking too hard. After the level of psychedelic visuals I experienced on the lower dose, I was anticipating more visual effects.
While making this timestamp note in my journal, I realize I have not eaten in just under seven hours and yet feel no hunger at all.
Music is starting to sound better and better. I am actively selecting songs to play now. Putting all my energy and attention into this is truly satisfying and enjoyable. After picking a song I find myself instinctively, almost automatically, up and off the couch dancing. My dancing is energetic and the physical movement feels phenomenal. I have no self-conscious worries about my dance moves. I’m not thinking much about them; they seem to almost be executing themselves. I am almost a bystander, watching my hands and arms dip and weave to the music on their own.
I sit down to select more music and find that I have some slight tremors / shaking occurring at my fingertips. I take my heart rate and find it to be at 81 BPM. I find this surprisingly low, as I have been dancing actively.
T + 03:16 [7:23 PM]
The tremors in my fingers are not particularly worrisome but I decide to drink a glass of water and focus on breathing for a few minutes. I’m pleasantly surprised by the sudden presence of closed eyed visuals. I look at my computer screen then shut my eyes quickly; I see the outline of a square. The lines that make up the square are a bright white light set against a shifting dark blue and black background. The square then cascades downward with a slight arc in its path. As the original square moves forward, its path becomes populated by dozens of layered copies of the original that slowly fade over a time of perhaps ten seconds. The leading square moves in circular / semi random directions with the trailing outlines continuing to follow it. At first the overlapping of the squares create tiny squares, but as more layers are created, increasingly complex shapes form. The mechanics of the visual reminds me of the old windows error pop ups that would freeze and overlap when one moved them.
This visual experience is less psychedelic than it sounds when written out. My headspace is not “trippy” in the least.
I take a break from documenting the closed eyed visuals in my journal during a wave of intensity that rises up through me. I feel a strong urge to pick up phone and text someone. By the time I select a recipient and begin to type, the wave recedes and I feel awkwardly sober. I decide to not send anything. The waves keep coming and going, and I write a note stating: when the effects are at their strongest I have desire to redose. When the effects are diminished, I seem fine to ride out the experience at current level.
I can tell I would be having a heart to heart convo if Kai were not busy with her studying. I am using my phone to replace the desired conversation [texting friends]. The interactions feel shallow or fake somehow. I would absolutely rather have these people with me in person instead interacting via the phone.
6-APB at this dosage feels less pushy than MDMA, like I am myself only enhanced. I don’t feel heavily intoxicated but as I review my notes and get input from Kai, I realize I am off my visual baseline.
T + 03:28 [7:35 PM]
I feel that I am able to have intelligent conversation [finance, investment, math, etc.] that is not just “seems like a good idea while rolling but in the morning is not realistic”. Throughout all topics of conversation I carry an overtly positive outlook. This holds true for subjects which, without the influence of the substance, I would have been regarding negatively. This gives me deep hope for the future and is a breath of fresh air for my own negativity, which I now realize has been a pattern recently.
T + 03:46 [7:53 PM]
I am starting to clench my jaw and grind my teeth a bit at this point. Otherwise the wonderful effects seem stable in the mental and visual categories. I am loving everything about how I feel right now. The flavor of the 6-APB is something to write home about. There is a touch of magic happening for me. Not exactly like the famed MDMA ‘magic’, but this substance has some character to it; and it’s good character.
I want more. Plain & simple. I go back and forth with myself about whether or not I should take more.
I go back and forth with myself about whether or not I should take more.
I’ll be alone, Kai will be going to bed shortly. There is no specific activity that will benefit from extending the experience. I will certainly be tired tomorrow. On the flip side; taking more sounds fun and nothing tomorrow will be negatively effected by doing so. I felt glad to have had the debate with myself, but I knew all along what the decision would be.
T + 03:56 [8:03 PM]
I prepare and insufflate 47 mg [half in each nostril]. I immediately follow the powder with a small amount of water up each nostril. There is no pain on this dosage, only minor irritation in my throat a few minutes after the insufflation.
T + 04:07 [8:14 PM]
I open another light beer [4.2 % ABV].
T + 04:42 [8:49 PM]
No major increase in effects. The pullbacks of intensity levels seem less frequent and less dramatic. The peak effects continue on the same as they have been [no increase or decrease there]. I feel some disappointment with this. I want a boost, to see what the next level of this chemical felt like. I immediately debate another re-dose, “to make first re-dose ‘worth it’” my notes say. I ruled this out because I have to work tomorrow. Seems like my redose should have been equal to my initial dose in order to achieve an increase versus simply extend effects.
My eyes are refocusing slower than normal, taking what seems like a full second or even two, when I look from something far away to something closer. This is not particularly bad or good, but I find myself testing and playing with this physical oddity.
T + 04:53 [9:00 PM]
I vaporize 151 mg of a sativa dominant strain of cannabis. Almost immediately I get a boost of visual effects. The closed eyed visuals are faint but enjoyable. The visuals are not pattern-centric or based in geometry. They are mostly everyday objects, inserted into a visualizer background. One that stood out was a rotating avocado, which is slowly turning, and is integrated into a background of non-vibrant floral wallpaper-esque patterns. My vision with eyes open remains free of any proper visuals, but the colors are saturated and the outlines of objects appear to be less defined, than they truly are. I describe the visual field as “soft” and “almost faded” in my notes.
T + 05:16 [9:23 PM]
Kai and I are still very talkative and positive about major life events in the recent past and near future.
I am now drinking my 4th light beer [4.2 % ABV] of the experience and I am not feeling the direct effects of alcohol. Although I know the alcohol is dehydrating me, the cold beverage is exceptionally refreshing.
T + 05:25 [9:32 PM]
Conversation with Kai is still flowing. I love being in her company. At one point she went to use the bathroom and I started to accompany her to bathroom until I realize that this was odd. Strong attachment and empathy are clearly present.
T + 05:42 [9:52 PM]
I have another light beer, my 5th of the night [4.2 % ABV]. I go to make a few notes in my journal and find that my eyes are increasingly hard to focus. As I scribble in my notebook I find my focus is constantly going in and out, having to re-adjust every few seconds. This is not unpleasant, but speaks to the level of intensity of the experience. No nystagmus is occurring at this time.
T + 05:57 [10:04 PM]
I don’t want this to end! Effects are in full swing now. My mind is a soup of love, lentils and positivity. I feel that all will be all right in the world and that my “real life” problems are actually much smaller than I sometimes make them out to be. The body below the soup bowl feels equally wonderful. I am buzzing from the inside out and an interior radiant warmth has me glowing. My skin and fingers are far more sensitive to stimuli than when I am sober. A back scratch from Kai is nothing short of life changing in how heavenly it felt. Feeling like this was a true treat. I have escaped from any mental worries and my body knows no negative sensations. Everything I touch, do or think about is GREAT GREAT GREAT.
T + 06:52 [10:59 PM]
I am still deep in the experience, and I notice that I am clenching my jaw and grinding my teeth significantly now. I’d compare my “jawing” intensity to what I would experience with a dosage of 150+ mg of MDMA or 100+ mg of 4-FA.
I am trying to connect with friends via my phone. Conversation is so enjoyable. I really don’t want to stop talking with people or for the high to end. The door to my emotions has been tossed wide open, I feel a great desire to express my gratitude for everyone in my life and have no reserves about doing so.
T + 07:02 [11:09 PM]
I make the switch from contacts to glasses and the adjustment takes longer than normal. Everything appears to be shiny and popping in high definition.
T + 07:14 [11:21 PM]
I vaporize 210 mg of sativa dominant cannabis. The rolling rush / high increases slightly but not as much as I am expecting. I don’t feel any of the effects one might normally associate with cannabis. The only result from smoking is the minimal increase in the intensity of the 6-APB’s effects. If sober, this amount of cannabis would have gotten me sufficiently stoned.
T + 09:26 [1:33 AM]
I realize I have been completely absorbed into playing music for almost two hours without looking at the time once. This stretch of time has absolutely flown by. A few intermittent yawns interrupt my focus on the music. I wonder if this is the beginning of the effects starting to decline. My eyes and mind still feel very awake and sleep is not appealing.
I feel slightly clumsy. My hands in particular feel a bit uncoordinated. My arms, hands and feet are cold. I have poor circulation so this is not uncommon, but tonight this feels slightly exaggerated. I can tell that my body is hungry but I have absolutely zero desire to eat anything. Taking stock of my physical condition motives me to rapidly drink a glass of water and then refill it a second time before sitting back down.
T + 09:44 [1:51 AM]
I feel dehydrated even though I have drunk two more glasses of water in the past twenty minutes or so. I feel as though I am past the peak of the experience now. I am still feeling strong feelings of empathy, a glowing body high, and an altered visual field. Closed eyed visuals have ceased at this point. My body high is tailoring itself nicely to the current late night environment I find myself in. The couch is superbly comfortable at the moment and my entire body feels relaxed.
T + 10:42 [2:49 AM]
Nothing new to report on. Effects are certainly going downhill at this point. I am feeling physically and mentally tired but still find myself unmotivated to actually get into bed.
T + 11:28 [3:35 AM]
I don’t want to stay up too much later for the sake of making tomorrow easier. The experience has been had at this point. I take 50 mg of diphenhydramine and 1000 mg of acetaminophen in the form of two Tylenol PM pills. My reasoning for this is to assist in inducing sleep without having to resort to a benzo, which I think would make waking up in a few hours more difficult. I have also developed a minor headache and figure the water and acetaminophen combination will help on this front.
T + 12:09 [4:16 AM]
This is my last check in with the clock and my journal. I fall into a restful sleep shortly after this point.
T + 16:34 [8:25 AM]
I wake up due to my dog jumping on and off the bed. My headache is gone. I don’t feel dehydrated. Minor jaw soreness [less than a night of MDMA] is present. My body feels good, not “high” particularly but very relaxed and borderline sedated [no desire to move]. I lay around in bed for an hour or so before I gather the energy to start my day. The afterglow fades quickly once I am up and moving about. I do note that I have no residual effects from the diphenhydramine and typically I would have felt a bit groggy through the morning.
Conclusion / Additional Notes:
This dosage provided a much more balanced and enjoyable set of effects, both mental and physical. I was surprised and excited to find that the substance provided me with exponentially more empathy-related feelings than my first experience with the substance despite the fact that my initial dosage had not even doubled. As an emotional tool, there is certainly some promise for this compound. I did not feel out of control and wasn’t gushing or declaring my love for everything and anyone that came into my mind, but I definitely enjoyed my extra ability to be honest, genuine and appreciative. The 6-APB made it remarkably fun to be positive and kind. Music and dancing began to take center stage while the effects were at their peak during this experience. I liken this to the way my body and mind react to MDA in that I frequently prefer to relax and be seated when taking lower doses, but higher doses bring out more of the physical stimulation. Zero complaints from today in any shape or form.
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